Staffies

foreign_correspondent

Responsible breeders are not cheap though - why would your average Joe Bloggs search out an expensive breeder when their mate down the road is selling pups off his nice staffie b1tch for far, far less...?

suki1964

Who says they arent cheap?

I see pups being sold in shops for the same price as breeders sell for

foreign_correspondent

Some are sold at relatively high prices. But, it is not unusual for pups to start off being advertised at high prices by novice breeders, then being reduced or even given away when they do not sell... I have certainly seen staff pups advertised from anything from £5 each to in the hundreds. A litter I knew of recently were initially advertised for £150 each, then reduced, then eventually given away, when at 10 weeks only one had sold.

hethmar

Do puppies really get sold in shops still? How dreadful

suki1964

hethmar wrote: »

Do puppies really get sold in shops still? How dreadful

yes there are shops that still sell pups - one in Sutton and one in Kingston are very well known

And there is not just shops - theres the net and that rather dubious page that was being so freely advertised on here not so long ago

suki1964

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Some are sold at relatively high prices. But, it is not unusual for pups to start off being advertised at high prices by novice breeders, then being reduced or even given away when they do not sell... I have certainly seen staff pups advertised from anything from £5 each to in the hundreds. A litter I knew of recently were initially advertised for £150 each, then reduced, then eventually given away, when at 10 weeks only one had sold.

Or handed into rescue

Back yard breeders. And if people were educated into only using reputable breeders these back yard breeders wouldnt bother in the first place

Jay_Tee

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Out of interest, do you feel there are any measures that could be put into place to reduce the numbers of staffies (or indeed other breeds) ending up in the pounds and rescues?

I'm afraid it's all down to image and popularity, I've recently bought a Shetland Sheepdog puppy (from a breeder) this breed doesn't have a rescue problem. The breed is moderately popular these days and it's image is perhaps what stops it from having this issue.

Sheltie rescue has several officers around the country, a healthy bank balance in the tens of thousands, a waiting list of people who want to adopt one, and very few dogs coming into rescue.

UKTigerlily

The shop I know of is the D4U? chain which gets Pups from Puppy farms but i've never come across a shop personally selling Dogs

UKTigerlily

suki1964 wrote: »

I will post where I like, why would I want to start a spaniel thread?

Have no idea about anything? Hmmmmmm Pot and kettle here Id say

I can read very well thank you and what I can read is you are so blinkered you are not open to any discussion what so ever. What I can see is that when it comes to this board you have it your way or no way

STAFFIES ARE NOT WORKING DOGS


Working dog as in the breed - ie labs, retrieviers, spaniels etc
Breeds that genectically have the make up to work a specific way,

Get it into your head that if someone is passionate about their sport or even breed of dog, they will want the best dog they can get - not some unknown untried dog from a rescue. They will want a five generation pedigree to prove the provenance of the pup they are buying they will want to know and to be able to trace and check back on any inherent illnesses they will want to know what family traits are there

Yes you can get the breeds Im talking about in rescue, no one is ever doubting that. Im trying to tell you that just because the breed is labeled working it doesnt make the individual dog suitable to work. Yes there may be the odd example of someone talking on a resuce and making a fine working dog, but thats rare. Although I guess your reletive is doing very well on the circuit seeing as you mention it?

I have a cocker, hes a "working breed" but hes been so selectively bred that he himself couldnt find his way out of a paper bag and if a rabbit or bird stepped up and punched him on the nose he still wouldnt react. I chose to get a cocker with those traits as I didnt want a dog who was bred for working and then kept as a pet being driven slowly demented being kept as a house dog. I have picked up the pieces once too often when people have bought a pup or got a dog from rescue that has not been suitable to their lifestyle, getting unknowingly from working stock, then trying to keep the pup in a flat with a 20 min walk a day. One look at a five generation pedigree ( that piece of paper some on here mock) would tell anyone (even a novice) what sort of pup they have got

If I had gone to rescue I wouldnt have any idea of the sort of dog I was getting. Yes I would know I was getting a dog with the general charecteristic of the breed but as for anything else - pot luck. And when you are working a dog you dont do pot luck


As for police dogs, yes they use certain breeds, Very few are taken from rescue because they too have certain needs in a dog, Usually the police, fire service and army will advertise for digs which have certain traits they are looking for. Their training is such that they cant be trying to train dogs that just dont have it in them just because they are labelled "Working" The need to work needs to be bred into them - and thats done by selective breeding by breeders who know what they are doing


Now Im just so haappy thay your wee chaya is making you and others so happy but please stop making yourself look foolish and even further proving to others that you know sod all by insisting that she is a working dog. She is a PAT DOG which just proves that you know how to keep her under control on lead and shes ok being petted ( like any good owner and dog can manage) and you paid for a wee certificate and sticker to say you can go visit in hospitals

Incorrect, yes some go to Hospitals but we don't. Not any Dog & Owner can do it either, many don't get through assessments. And yes I know some Dogs are bred as working Dogs & Staffs aren't bred as that, but to ME & others working includes guide dogs, therapy dogs, any Dogs that work, THAT is how I mean it in this conversation as most here know. And you'd be suprised how many Dogs that are police sniffer Dogs come from rescue, many many do.

You say you wouldn't have any idea of the sort of Dog you were getting from Rescue? Why not? Lots have full histories, some are born in rescue & days old, some have pedigrees, some have worked already & had to go to rescue, there's something for everyone *however* this thread is about Staffs not any other breed & when irresponsible breeding & people going to breeders was mentioned, it was obviously in relation to Staffs, which you yourself say aren't working Dogs, so your argument about needing a pedigree blah blah blah doesn't apply surely?!

A pet not show Staff can vbe got from Rescue & nobody needs to be breeding general Pet Staffs *at this time*

And yes my relative is doing great thanks, as is Chaya who goes out with my Dad who does guundog work & shooting.

cyberbob

UKTigerlily wrote: »

A pet not show Staff can vbe got from Rescue & nobody needs to be breeding general Pet Staffs *at this time*
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What rubbish by getting them from a rescue you are in fact getting an unknown history in most cases so they could have illness's and congenital problems that could cost the owners more and make the dog a rescue dog again when they can't afford the vet fees. If more people went directly to the registered breeders not only would they get a dog with a known history but they would also help to reduce the amount in rescues (there will always be people who will take rescue dogs). Backyard breeders would then realise that there is less of a market for there type of dogs so less would be bred. So it would be pointless them breeding them. Also technically without a full pedigree a dog isn't a Staffordshire bull terrier as you do not know what other lines have been bred in. Without a pedigree its only a Staffordshire bull terrier Type dog