Outrage - Tory Tax Dodger costs Taxpayers Millions - The Times

lostinrates

Its a shame its not cost effective for those of us with more ''norml'' incomes to do the same: it would make more impact on our lifestyles, proportionately..

It points be back to the issue that perhaps tax is simply too high. Perhaps the recogniton of the role of tx payers is under appreciated. I'd be quite happy to stroke the ego of returning non-doms by giving them some sort of title: Friend of the British, Fiscal Contributer...they could boast about on the radio when raising money for charities and feel like great people ...

pipkin71

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

How can you argue that this is fair but some poor person who claims benefits (who is doing nothing wrong either) gets pages of bile written about them in the Tory Press (and on this board) and that is OK?

It's like the benefit ranter who does cash in hand jobs without declaring it and can't see that they are doing wrong, because everyone does it, given the chance :rolleyes:

Pages of bile about the benefit claimant, even though they are legally claiming, but no issue with tax fraud :rolleyes:

the_ash_and_the_oak

people hate those that are poorer than them more than those that are richer than them imo because they identify with those richer than them because subconsciously they think they are sort of like them and will also be richer one day

lostinrates

pipkin71 wrote: »

It's like the benefit ranter who does cash in hand jobs without declaring it and can't see that they are doing wrong, because everyone does it, given the chance :rolleyes:

Pages of bile about the benefit claimant, even though they are legally claiming, but no issue with tax fraud :rolleyes:

Actully, in both cases surely the system is wrong (s I think the mjority re saying) than the individual....

the_ash_and_the_oak

Also rich people are wealth-creators that literally generate money out of their bodies and if they emigrated they would take their money with them and then what would we do?

pipkin71

lostinrates wrote: »

Actully, in both cases surely the system is wrong (s I think the mjority re saying) than the individual....

I would say if someone is illegally avoiding paying tax, then they are wrong, not the system. They are the one committing a criminal offence.

lostinrates

pipkin71 wrote: »

I would say if someone is illegally avoiding paying tax, then they are wrong, not the system. They are the one committing a criminal offence.

AIUI Goldsmith is within legality. If its illegal then I gree wholeheartedly.

The greater issue for me is how to bring the tax of the super rich into UK, and more social cohesion, wither they are standing as MPs or not, and further, to have this filter down throughout the country, so that tax evasion (as opposed to avoidence) is regarded as pretty m,iserable whether its someone very rich or someone ''normal'' you know.

ukcarper

Do people on PAYE subsidise everybody else?

Out,_Vile_Jelly

If Goldman was paying tax on his immense fortune, it wouldn't exactly leave him destitute, would it? He and his family will never have to work or worry about finances. When you have a certain level of wealth it sort of becomes immaterial. The difference between 20 million and 25 million of free inherited money is not the same as someone's salary increasing from £20k to £25k. I suppose this is what makes me a lefty, but I genuinely don't see the point in obsessively hoarding money when you and your loved ones have no wants in life.

In the unlikely event of my becoming super-rich, once I'd ensured my family and friends were sorted and I had enough to indulge in some hobbies (a string of racehorses with rude names, my own cocktail bar inventing drinks with even ruder names for example) I would have no problem with paying taxes with the aim of making my country a fair and decent place to live. It would perhaps make me more involved in local politics to ensure they were spent properly though.

pipkin71

lostinrates wrote: »

AIUI Goldsmith is within legality. If its illegal then I gree wholeheartedly.

The greater issue for me is how to bring the tax of the super rich into UK, and more social cohesion, wither they are standing as MPs or not, and further, to have this filter down throughout the country, so that tax evasion (as opposed to avoidence) is regarded as pretty m,iserable whether its someone very rich or someone ''normal'' you know.

I do agree with you that, if someone is using the system to their advantage, but not breaking the law, then it is the system that needs addressing. However, when someone on benefits is legally using the system, why are they called some awful derogatory names, but at the other end of the spectrum, someone who is legally doing all they can to minimise their tax bill, seems to be applauded at times?