Planning Permission - makes no sense?

andrew-b

The point being missed is if you knock through inserting lintels, fit a fire door then who the hell is going to know (except of course whoever does the work and a select few MSErs!). It's a 3' or less opening ..not the great wall of china!!

Doozergirl

andrew-b wrote: »

The point being missed is if you knock through inserting lintels, fit a fire door then who the hell is going to know (except of course whoever does the work and a select few MSErs!). It's a 3' or less opening ..not the great wall of china!!

I'm not missing the point at all. No-one will know, just do it safely.

You're right though, I am picking holes in an argument which is just completely non-sensical. I know there are no building regs involved if no-one knows, I am simply saying that the work done should conform to regs (rather then be signed off) so that the OP is confident in its quality.

If no-one knows what you are doing then what on earth is the point of building a lean-to when the objective was to knock through? It's total nonsense and the regs that edgex refers to wouldn't apply anyway. They would sign off on the knock-through even if they completely removed the entire wall - it's just planning that would be the issue for the rebrick - if they knew about it!

andrew-b

My post wasn't really directed at u DG (u just caught in the crossfire so keep your hard hat on lol) ..just generalistic comment as what was relatively simple became overly complicated! Was me who first mentioned fire door between two based on logical thinking to at least minimise risk from fire (or indeed smoke which is just as damaging) spreading from one to another - though others ran off with it and turned it into a problem! There is of course another advantage in that OP and partner can shut and lock the door when they get fed up of one another or want some "me time" or even just to contain cooking smells.
Anyway must go sleep ..didn't realise time!

edgex

Doozergirl wrote: »

I'm not missing the point at all. No-one will know, just do it safely.

You're right though, I am picking holes in an argument which is just completely non-sensical. I know there are no building regs involved if no-one knows, I am simply saying that the work done should conform to regs (rather then be signed off) so that the OP is confident in its quality.

If no-one knows what you are doing then what on earth is the point of building a lean-to when the objective was to knock through? It's total nonsense and the regs that edgex refers to wouldn't apply anyway. They would sign off on the knock-through even if they completely removed the entire wall - it's just planning that would be the issue for the rebrick - if they knew about it!

so your really suggesting that someone should have major structural work done with no checking of any kind whatsoever?
how is the OP going to be confident in its quality if they dont have anyone else to check it?


what do you suggest they tell their insurers?
what do you suggest they tell their mortgage companies?
(dont forget the OP's original post, they want to keep it as 2 houses/dwellings/properties)

ormus

i never actually knew anyone who ever bought a dog licence when they were 7s 6d.
but im beginning to realise there really are peeps that did buy a licence.


5k for a door and a hole? im in the wrong trade.

andrew-b

TBH i'm not sure we had to go beyond your first reply Ormus! The simple answer is it's just a moral dilemna for the OP to decide who to tell and they should make up their own minds...end of

pusscat

Wow - thanks for all the input! I go away for the night and find loads of thoughts when I get back....

There is one point which I guess I did not mention (mainly as when it is your own home you forget what others do not know.....) and that is that the kitchens are on the first floor level.
If they were on the ground floor then I could see the conservatory/lean -to/fence panel removed being a possibility.

The simple requirement is that we currently have 2 houses, we all live in one and are a bit squashed - so we are looking for ways to be able to use the space of both houses for a limited amount of time (5 years is a guess - could be 10, could be 2).
The ideal would be to take the whole dividing wall out to make a large kitchen diner (removing one set of kitchen units). ONce we no longer needed the space we would put the wall back and reinstall some kitchen units in the second house.

From what I know/can see/posted so far, getting a builder in to take the wall out between the two kitchen/diners is fairly easy - it will need some kind of RSJ, but from ballpark figures from some knowledgeable mates it seems to be a £1k-£2k job to sort it out.

It goes without saying that we would do it to the right standards - I don't want to burn to death or wake up 2 floors lower because my floors collapsed -it just seems that I am caught between a rock and a hard place as paying 2 lots of council tax does not seem to be the same as Plannings definition of 2 seperate dwellings....

I am coming to the conclusion that as long as I am happy the work is up to the right standards, and my buildings insurers are happy then I will just get on with it. Eventually the wall will be put back (to the same standard as what was there before) and I am not sure that anyone will be any the wiser.....

Any more thoughts are very welcome though

Thanks

Puss
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wallbash

I am coming to the conclusion that as long as I am happy the work is up to the right standards, and my buildings insurers are happy then I will just get on with it

You will be happy and the majority of posters ( who thoroughly enjoyed your O.P.)
will be happy for you .:beer:

punknzippy

how old (out of interest ) are your 2 houses ?

pusscat

punknzippy wrote: »

how old (out of interest ) are your 2 houses ?

4 or 5 years - standard modern boxes

Puss