Public Sector workers laughing all the way to the bank

carolt

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Because those are all massive, glaring signs that that child is being neglected.

It is possible to be a parent on benefits and be a good parent. Unfortunately some poor people in the UK see having children as a financial choice. This isnt unusual as poor people all over the world share this view.

However, whereas a poor parent from Asia will want to have a dozen kids and educate them all as much as possible so that they can provide for them in old age, their British counterpart may be mire likely to see them as an extra sum added onto their giro and a step up the housing priority list.

This cycle of benefits dependency has to stop.

Edit : if people have a right to have children, and guaranteeing housing and money to parents is basically saying they do (which I agree with) then they must take on the responsibility for raising them.

I do agree that we need to urgently sort out incentives in this country - incentivising single teenagers to get pregnant to get a flat is clearly loopy; so is offering financial inducements to allow/encourage the Karen Matthews of this world to have 7 children by 5 different fathers.

Frankly, how much can you expect of the schools, given this as a starting point?

They need to drastically reduce/remove altogether incentives to have children one can't afford. The challenge, obviously, is to do that without penalising the children who are born accidentally, despite this.

ninky_2

donaldtramp wrote: »

Once again, :rolleyes: I have no wish to have an easy life. I don't want my taxes to subsidise others pensions and wages.
I'm more than willing to pay tax if it is spent correctly. Paying and guaranteeing other peoples pensions isn't money well spent IMO.

wishing for a difficult life seems a little odd.

if taxes don't subsidise wages then who is going to pay for teachers and doctors (or do you think we should only have the option of going private?)

public service pay has traditionally been lower but benefits such as decent employment rights and pensions have allowed the public sector to have some sort of ability to attract reasonable people to work for it.

people will usually work for the area that offers the best terms and conditions. if your suggestion is that public service is indeed a more cushy option is correct then we should expect to find 'better' workers in this area.

i'm concerned about the bailout of the private sector and the amount of current and future tax this is going to cost me .

some in the public sector are likely to suffer paycuts due to the collapse of financial institutions and the loss of much revenue (e.g. icesave). 'equal pay' legislation may be used to mask this as in the case of bin men - funny how they can expect a pay cut rather than cleaners getting a payrise though isn't it?

Graham_Devon

donaldtramp wrote: »

Graham


What a nonsense. The majority of private sector workers have no company car or expenses. A ridiculous generalisation of private sector benefits.
Trust me the pension outweighs ALL of those.

And not all of those in the public sector have a pension.

A ridiculous generalisation.

ninky_2

macaque wrote: »

Of course I blame the government. They had done much to undermine the institution of marriage and family life. In doing so, they have put ideology above the interests of children.

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i'd say capitalism has done more to undermine family life. long working hours, house prices that pressure parents to work through infancy of their offspring and mean people have to live further and further away from employment so they are cut off from their communities. plus the centralization of employment into large cities along with lack of stable jobs for life mean people are more likely to move house and live away from the grandparents of their children.

governments could do more to counter these trends. but i can't see the tories doing much, can you?

carolt

I don't entirely disagree, but I think the end of capitalism any time soon seems unlikely.

I mean, I could be wrong here, we could be in a Russia pre-WWI scenario right now, but...I've never really seen the British as a very revolutionary lot.

Whichever party we have in power.

The_White_Horse

all public sector workers should pay 80% tax on ALL of their over inflated salary for a job that doesn't need doing.

public sector workers = lazy money for nothing scum, who collect an iflated dole payment each month to keep the unemployment figures artificially low.

however many of these cretins exist, they could be cut by 50% and the public wouldn't even notice.

some public sector workers are literally paid to do nothing. they just turn up and get paid. lunacy!

The_White_Horse

there should be no public sector. everything should be private and if you can't pay for it - tough.

Squish_21

Oh well, if you cant beat em join em. Alternatively shut up till you know what your talking about!

carolt

I find it wonderful and inspiring that a mere horse..a dumb animal, some might say...can be taught to type and take part in intelligent conversation with human beings.

Thanks for showing us your typing skills, Horse.

They're remarkable, truly remarkable.

Could you share some more insights from your field?

The_White_Horse

as a horse, i findi have a much clearer perspective on life. most real people that actually contribute and pay for everything are beginning to get a lot irritated by their useless, wasteful and costly public sector counterparts. Only today I went to a local authority building, to ask a question at 4.45pm and guess what? closed. Yet, it is suppossed to be open until 5.00pm

I would like to see the workers sacked. Yet even if they were, which they won't be, the unions would be kicking up a fuss and they would end up with a pay rise.

The public sector has taken the preverbial for the last decade. it needs to be put back in its box and realise what it is - a drain and cost on taxpayers.