HELP - What is an order for Recovery?

speedster

if you're SE they cant take 40% anyway. they cant DEO you as you don't have a paye wage.

kelloggs36

Steve40 wrote: »

what about the people that have always payed for there children via DEO but are still having liability orders enforced due to CSA hash ups

They won't go to jail as they have not wilfully neglected to pay. Their court orders are to ensure that any arrears are collectable, but they would never be taken to court for committal - unless they fail to pay anything at all.

blimey40

fabforty, thats not my point.

What about the PWC;s who quite happily take money, but have behind your back have gone to the CSA?

It does happen.

As for the original poster, you need to get the sum converted. If you have no assets, home or car not much they can do. They will though examine every angle to find out if, you have more money than you say.

Speedster is right, they cannot take 40% off the self employed.

fabforty

blimey40 wrote: »

fabforty, thats not my point.

What about the PWC;s who quite happily take money, but have behind your back have gone to the CSA?

It does happen.

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I quoted you, but I guess my post was aimed at the OP. You are right, what you describe does happen. It happened to my partner, who was royally screwed by his ex and the CSA. After paying support (cash in hand) for 10 years, she got mad one day and went to the CSA claiming that she had not received a penny in years (believe me, I am no fan of the CSA-they do more harm than good and penalise the good parents who want to provide for the children). He had to fight like hell to avoid being billed twice. She only backed down when his solicitor said that the children (who were 13 and 16) would have to give evidence to see who was telling the truth (he usually gave the money to the kids). My point was that from the moment you create a life (and this applies to both men and women), you know that you will have to pay for that child, and even if you are not in contact, with mother/father or child, you should be putting money away for the day that they track you down. The cost of providing for a child should be split 50/50 and the fact that you are not around, going through difficulties, depression, recession, etc doesn't alter the fact that those costs need to be met, and if it's not the respective parents then somebody else has to foot the bill.

fznuk

Thanks again for the heads-up and advice.

As i said, i wish to comply but only if they are fair. I see my son every other weekend and just a shame i cant sort it out with the mother but thats just the way it is...and i have arreers which as i said am willing to sort out.

I just avoided the CSA due to the horror stories and the financial mess they themselves create, i know it isnt an excuse but did scare me off dealing with them direct. Now i wish to put this right and do the right thing but i am a fighter if need be so if they start playing silly beggers then so will i again. I am WILLING to pay but only what i CAN afford. If they screw with what i havent got then i will be on the dole again which only makes matters worse for me, everyone else and my son.

I dont hold much hope in them replying to my email (via their site) so i may need to contact them again via letter. I may also notify the court (where the letter i got came from) in that i have contacted the CSA direct and that the amount is wrong...even if this buys me some time and any further court letters.

again, i will keep you up to date with their response.

Thanks again guys!

CornishBloke29

kelloggs36 wrote: »

You have a penalty assessment

I may have misunderstood this, do you mean civil servants have a power to dictate penalties?

kelloggs36 wrote: »

You are not in a position to make statements like 'I would pay anything for my son but not to the government or to be used by all my Ex's familly.

I may be wrong again, but the CSA is calling itself the Child Support Agency. This now suggests money paid by a working parent has nothing to with the needs of the child.

Sorry If Im new to all this but I think I am missing somerthing here.

CornishBloke29

Steve40 wrote: »

some compliant NRP's are already in prison its a sad sad world we live in

Do you have any evidence of this? if they are law abiding persons they should not be in prison.

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fznuk

I have finally been contacted by the CSA.

The Call was left by a woman leaving her name and a 0151 number but no name of the organisation. I rang her back (using 141 first) said my name and that she had rang me but was like getting blood out of a stone by asking her who she was from?! I had to tell her she was from the CSA to which she admitted???! Bizarre!

She said she didnt get my email and was calling again on the off chance before proceeding with court action so i said i wanted to sort things.

after she explaind that the arearrs were from 2005 (not 2001 as once thought) I told her i was self employed on low earnings from 2004 to todays date and could supply full accounting (i have excel sheets with this i give to the housing benefit people) and glad i can now get an acurate assessment.

One thing she did want me to do is pay something now towards the arears until they got my accounts to do an assessment, i explained that i wont agree to anything by phone, only in writing and i was happy (reluctant lol) to pay minimal payment as soon as i get a giro cheque demand in the post so i have full control over payment since im self employed and can only pay when i get paid from customers, i think she understood but still tried to get my bank details and to setup a standing order....no bloody way!

I agreed to pay something (minimal £5) until they get my accounts within 2 weeks and re-assess. She promises to send me a written request for the required paperwork and a seperate letter with an agreed amount to pay in the meantime...but only if there is a girocheque attached so i can pay it into a bank and have it stamped!

I worked out that if i was paying from 2005, it would be £5 per week x 52 (weeks in a year x 4 years (to this date approx) and it will be only £1040 in arears...not £26,000!!!? (unless they have an amount minimum per child a year?!)

I at least have a direct number and a name to call if there are any problems. I also want to get some phone recording equipment in case i do have to deal with them by phone..... any ideas?

Cheers!

blimey40

They will look for proof. Sorry, but don't celebrate just yet.

A phone call between you and them Has not changed anything.

And thats from someone who is pro NRP..