The bears have lost here - so they're infecting the House Buying forum

macaque_2

Cleaver wrote: »

Advising someone that they are going to step in to a pit is based on fact - you can see the pit and see that they are about to fall in it. Advising someone on a future that you've constructed in your head is opinion, and whilst it might be the right one, it's still an opinion that the person didn't ask for.

To use your analogy it is like being asked for directions to the British Museum and then giving the poor tourist your opinion on why the British Museum is an awful place to go and they would be better off at the Tate Gallery. That might be true, but it's not really what they asked.

Can I suggest posting a picture of a monkey as a response if you realise that I'm right and have nothing to say back?

1. - If a tourist asks for directions to the Museum but the Museum has been turned into a brothel, it is civilised to mention this.

2. - You have wrongly assumed that warnings about property cannot be based on fact. Whilst no one can predict what prices will be tomorrow, you can point to red flags on the beach (rising unemployment, falling incomes and the weak pound). It is like saying to the tourist "There is a black plastic bag behind you. Be careful before you step on it because there could be a manhole underneath it."

Bulls have tendency to close down discussion that does not align with their views. They have been outraged that a bear went onto another forum and flagged up concerns to a would be buyer about a very dubious government scheme aimed at baling out the building industry.

Emy1501

nollag2006 wrote: »

Just stumbled across this very genuine query from a novice buyer:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2065597

The bear's response is just appalling - exactly the sort of inarticulate nonsense that we have come to expect on this board, but there really is no need to infect other boards with this sort of nonsense.:eek:


If you want to come and moan about how unfair life, the recovering economy, and rising house prices all are, please keep the "debate" here

Whether your a bear or a bull everyone knows these types of offers are a con. No different to a suprime mortgage you only get one if you can't get a normal mortgage. In the above you only buy one of these types of properties if no one will give you a mortgage to buy a normal house.

The reality is the OP from that thread needs to ask themselves why no one will give them a mortgage and why they want to get involved in buying a property which will probably be poorly made and be worth less in 2 years even if we see HPI of 10% a year over the next 2 years.

carolt

nollag2006 wrote: »

Just stumbled across this very genuine query from a novice buyer:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2065597

The bear's response is just appalling - exactly the sort of inarticulate nonsense that we have come to expect on this board, but there really is no need to infect other boards with this sort of nonsense.:eek:


If you want to come and moan about how unfair life, the recovering economy, and rising house prices all are, please keep the "debate" here

Thanks for that nollag - I wondered where all the regulars had gone - had seemed terribly quiet whenever I'd popped in over the last week or so.

Now I know where to find everyone.

Cheers.

Harry_Powell

macaque wrote: »

1. - If a tourist asks for directions to the Museum but the Museum has been turned into a brothel, it is civilised to mention this.

But surely if the building that was formerly a museum has turned into a brothel, it means that the museum has either closed or moved. In this case you'd either describe where the museum is now located, or say that it has closed. You'd only mention the brothel if the tourist said "can you tell me where the brothel is"?

macaque wrote: »

2. - You have wrongly assumed that warnings about property cannot be based on fact. Whilst no one can predict what prices will be tomorrow, you can point to red flags on the beach (rising unemployment, falling incomes and the weak pound). It is like saying to the tourist "There is a black plastic bag behind you. Be careful before you step on it because there could be a manhole underneath it."

You could also warn him that the UK has a wide range of deciduous trees and that as we are now in autumn time, the leaves fall from the trees and land on the floor and that when it rains it makes the leaves slippery and he could slip on one of them and fall into a river and be swept out into the sea and get picked up by pirates who use him as their sex slave during those long and lonely voyages and that when they finally release him he could end up a broken man dancing for coppers down the docks, all because he failed to heed your warning about those treacherous leaves! :mad:

macaque_2

Harry Powell

But surely if the building that was formerly a museum has turned into a brothel, it means that the museum has either closed or moved. In this case you'd either describe where the museum is now located, or say that it has closed. You'd only mention the brothel if the tourist said "can you tell me where the brothel is"?

Well I can't agree with this. I went to the Science museum three years to find the Chemical Engineering section had been dumped in favour of a Nintendo exhibition (which was charged for). The next time I went, the Chemistry section had been replaced by a 'Bob the Builder' exhibition. It seems our modern/inclusive/accessible museums set much more store by footfall than quality. It can only be a matter of time before cabinets of early ming porcelain make way for soft lights, big sofas and ladies in swimming costumes.

You could also warn him that the UK has a wide range of deciduous trees and that as we are now in autumn time, the leaves fall from the trees and land on the floor and that when it rains it makes the leaves slippery and he could slip on one of them and fall into a river and be swept out into the sea and get picked up by pirates who use him as their sex slave during those long and lonely voyages and that when they finally release him he could end up a broken man dancing for coppers down the docks, all because he failed to heed your warning about those treacherous leaves!

Alright, I'll concede on this one. This chain of events does happen and would have been a better example.

carolt

Such a shame we missed the Bob the Builder exhibition - my little one would have been enthralled.

Posibly it's not so much dumbing down as trying to attract a different age-group?

Harry_Powell

macaque wrote: »

Harry Powell



Well I can't agree with this. I went to the Science museum three years to find the Chemical Engineering section had been dumped in favour of a Nintendo exhibition (which was charged for). The next time I went, the Chemistry section had been replaced by a 'Bob the Builder' exhibition. It seems our modern/inclusive/accessible museums set much more store by footfall than quality.

It might have been more interesting if the museum had turned into a brothel, well, probably not if you had the wife and kids in tow.

Davesnave

carolt wrote: »

Such a shame we missed the Bob the Builder exhibition - my little one would have been enthralled.

Posibly it's not so much dumbing down as trying to attract a different age-group?

No, if they'd been dumbing-down to reflect modern society, it would more likely have been the 'Bill The Bodger' exhibition, complete with a few Homebuy packages.:rotfl:

lostinrates

carolt wrote: »

Such a shame we missed the Bob the Builder exhibition - my little one would have been enthralled.

Posibly it's not so much dumbing down as trying to attract a different age-group?

Kids, well, kids I know, LOVE some of the museums. I loved the egypt section in BM when very tiny, Poor Ginger enthralled me. And all the buttons in the science museum are irresistable...the big .museums are great...i think its getting parents through the door that might be the problem, not kids!

misskool

lostinrates wrote: »

Kids, well, kids I know, LOVE some of the museums. I loved the egypt section in BM when very tiny, Poor Ginger enthralled me. And all the buttons in the science museum are irresistable...the big .museums are great...i think its getting parents through the door that might be the problem, not kids!

Pah. I still love museums. And especially love the science museum. There's a wallace and gromit special going on