The bears have lost here - so they're infecting the House Buying forum

chucky

macaque wrote: »

You are standing in the street giving directions to the British Museum. You notice that the tourist is about to step backwards into an open manhole. You say nothing and he dissapears down a 30 foot pit. When challenged, you protest: "He only asked for directions to the British Museum. Advice on manhole hazards would have been off topic"

i'm surprised that the manhole was only 30 feet - i was expecting a 70 foot drop to the bottom of the manhole...

JonnyBravo

macaque wrote: »

You are standing in the street giving directions to the British Museum. You notice that the tourist is about to step backwards into an open manhole. You say nothing and he dissapears down a 30 foot pit. When challenged, you protest: "He only asked for directions to the British Museum. Advice on manhole hazards would have been off topic"

Such an admirable moral perspective.

Presumably you spend all your spare time outside estate agents warning everyone entering them of the dangers also?

No? You mean you're happy to save them so long as it doesn't involve any greater effort than tapping away on your keyboard!?

Shame on you!

macaque_2

Dan: wrote: »

don't be a nob.

If I was the sort to report posts (which I'm not) this little effort would earn two you two complaints; one for unecessary rudeness and the other a complete absence of good humour.

Cleaver

macaque wrote: »

You are standing in the street giving directions to the British Museum. You notice that the tourist is about to step backwards into an open manhole. You say nothing and he dissapears down a 30 foot pit. When challenged, you protest: "He only asked for directions to the British Museum. Advice on manhole hazards would have been off topic"

Advising someone that they are going to step in to a pit is based on fact - you can see the pit and see that they are about to fall in it. Advising someone on a future that you've constructed in your head is opinion, and whilst it might be the right one, it's still an opinion that the person didn't ask for.

To use your analogy it is like being asked for directions to the British Museum and then giving the poor tourist your opinion on why the British Museum is an awful place to go and they would be better off at the Tate Gallery. That might be true, but it's not really what they asked.

Can I suggest posting a picture of a monkey as a response if you realise that I'm right and have nothing to say back?

Harry_Powell

JonnyBravo wrote: »

Such an admiral moral perspective.

Presumably you spend all your spare time outside estate agents warning everyone entering them of the dangers also?

No? You mean you're happy to save them so long as it doesn't involve any greater effort than tapping away on your keyboard!?

Shame on you!

I'm just waiting for him to be outted as another BTL landlord talking down the market in order to pick up some bargains, just like brit. I must admit I was terribly disillusioned when Brit was outted. I thought these 70% guys were a little misguided, but had their hearts in the right place (they stated that they wanted large drops for the good of mankind) but now find myself wondering at their motives.

It's one thing to want HPC so that you can finally afford to buy a home, it's quite another thing to want HPC (and the associated pain of neg equ, etc) just so you can build a BTL empire. Shame on you Brit, and shame on you macacacacaque if you're playing the same game. :mad:

Graham_Devon

When I ask for advice, especially on a forum, I expect to get peoples opinions.

That, is, afterall, what I am asking the question for.

If I ask someone "do you think this is thr right way to do something" at work, I expect them to either say yes or no. However, if they do say no, I appriciate feedback as to their opinion WHY it won't work.

A "no" would be pretty useless to me, as, although asking the question, and looking for help, all I have been told is "no". An opinion after that no, may just help me on my way.

An opinion when I haven't asked for one is a completely different thing.

This whole thread is much a-do about absolutely nothing. Someone asked a question, got an answer, and the reason for that answer. Someone else saw a chance to start an argument with a poster they didn't agree with, and here we are, making pointless analogies to justify the reason for someone offering their opinion to another person who had asked for it.

The whole thread rather reminded me of threads in DT, where someone asks a question, but doesnt tell you they only want certain answers which agree with them.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This whole thread is much a-do about absolutely nothing. Someone asked a question, got an answer, and the reason for that answer. Someone else saw a chance to start an argument with a poster they didn't agree with, and here we are, making pointless analogies to justify the reason for someone offering their opinion to another person who had asked for it.

Thanks that's saved me three pages.

If you could do the same for coronation street, Strictly come Dancing and the X factor and post it for my wife to read that would be great.

Cleaver

Graham_Devon wrote: »

When I ask for advice, especially on a forum, I expect to get peoples opinions.

That, is, afterall, what I am asking the question for.

If I ask someone "do you think this is thr right way to do something" at work, I expect them to either say yes or no. However, if they do say no, I appriciate feedback as to their opinion WHY it won't work.

Although I just ripped macaque's anaology to bits (mainly for fun and because it's easy to do) I agree with this. If you ask a question on a forum you should expect a variety of opinions and you should have enough of a brain to disregard the opinions you think are not valid, relevant or just there to wind you up.

Brit's argument is extreme, but it's his opinion and I'm sure it's worthwhile to someone. Even if it makes someone think twice about whether a house purchase is right for them and they still go ahead, it contributed.

And anyway, for every person who types "never buy a house, you'll be a debt monkey", there's another person who says "I wouldn't listen to him, he's a bit like that", which counters the argument.

I've said this a million times before, but there are people on here that are very articulate and intelligent that I don't always agree with (dopester springs to mind - hope he doesn't take offense at that) but am always pleased to read their posts. His contributions have made me think and question my own opinion and whilst that may not change my opinion, I'm glad he made me think a bit differently.

You may have noticed I'm in a bit of a waffley mood today...

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

Thanks that's saved me three pages.

If you could do the same for coronation street, Strictly come Dancing and the X factor and post it for my wife to read that would be great.

Opinion: Dunno about that. Think of all the free time she would then have. Nagging time. What's more. She has more time to fill up, she may even approah you to spend some of that time with her. _pale_

Men all over the country should rejoice in these programmes!

Answer: No.

Graham_Devon

Cleaver wrote: »

Brit's argument is extreme, but it's his opinion and I'm sure it's worthwhile to someone. Even if it makes someone think twice about whether a house purchase is right for them and they still go ahead, it contributed.

Brit's opinion is the same type of opinion that stopped me entering into a 7x salary mortgage at something like 110%.

If I had listened to my parents, and others around me, all saying that house prices always go up, I'm not exactly sure I would still be living in that property, mainly through lack of being able to fund it.

Of course, I was told that I could then rent out the two other bedrooms to others to make up the payments.

But I just sat there thinking, hmmmm, share my first house with 2 people I don't know just to get by.....no thanks.

It was one opinion that changed my mind, and for that I am grateful.

However, I did end up going shared ownership, so not sure which was worse!

Looking back however, I was glad for that one person who everyone else said "doesnt know what he's talking about". He even changed his own opinion in the end, and it now mortgaged up to the eyeballs just about making ends meet.

Funny old world, his advice kinda saved me from doing what he is now doing, but others were able to convince him he was wrong. He would have been sitting very pretty right now if he had helt out!