The harsh truth about Tory policies

markharding557

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So tell me, do they have oxygen on the planet you come from?

Because nobody living on this one could have failed to notice all the Sky dishes on council houses, the single mothers with 5 kids from 5 fathers, breeding for benefits, and living in a 6 bedroom house all paid for from MY hard work, etc, etc, etc.....

Yes, of course there should be a safety net. But benefits for all but the disabled should be time limited. After a year or two, no more benefits for you. We won't let people starve and freeze on the streets, even the lazy and f e c k less ones. But that can be achieved by providing a dormitory and a soup kitchen at far less cost than today.

Benefits SHOULD be miserable, subsistence level, and something to be avoided. Not a reward for playing the system.

well hamish you have outdone your self this time with your sterotyped bias.
I live in a council estate,i am my wifes carer,she was disabled after a scooter acident,we have three childeren,i am their carer too.
there is satilite dish on my house but guess what?we have only free veiw channels on it because the sky subcription was cancelled a long time ago due to cost cutting after her accident.
so don't make out that all people on benifit are like millionairs because we are not.
i was a full time worker for many years prior to this.and trust me there is a big differnce in the amount of money left at the end of the week.
and no i don't smoke and i brew my own beer

bambam101

I'd rather have a labour government anyday of the week then the bunch of old etonians who could be coming our way. The only reason they don't want the next election to be fought on a "class war" front is because it will highlight the cronyism of the tories, out of all the thousands of secondary schools in this country why is their shadow cabinet stuffed with members from only one, a coincidence maybe :rolleyes:

Thrugelmir

bambam101 wrote: »

I'd rather have a labour government anyday of the week then the bunch of old etonians who could be coming our way. The only reason they don't want the next election to be fought on a "class war" front is because it will highlight the cronyism of the tories, out of all the thousands of secondary schools in this country why is their shadow cabinet stuffed with members from only one, a coincidence maybe :rolleyes:

The current labour government are hardly representative of the populace they purport to represent. :rolleyes:

mbga9pgf

Sorry, but all the tories I have met up to now have been down to earth from middle income backgrounds.

As opposed to the majority of Labour MPs, that came from benefits claiming sink estates, or the minority of Labour MPs, that came from the top public schools. Typically the brains of the organisation, unlike that slug John Prescott.

bambam101

The Labour Party has deserted alot of their cor vote over the years, and its harder then ever for a left wing canditdate to get selected to fight for a constituency. But even they are more trusted to run the country then the tories, you only have to read the foam flecked comments posted on here by some of the more ring wing conservative voters to realise the type of people they pander to.

mbga9pgf

But even they are more trusted to run the country then the tories,

How can you say that after the last debacle the Labour party created, that Maggie had to fix?

How can you say that today, with the mess gordon brown has left us in.

Dont confuse what you see with your eyes with what is actually going on in real life. I find labour voters live more for today at tommorrows expense; they are inherently selfish.

whathavewedone

Bambam I think you need to have a look at where some of the current cabinet went to school.

Harriet Harman went to St Pauls - girls equivalent of Eton/Harrow.

Ed Balls was educated privately from prep school upwards and was part of a drinking club called the Steamers at university - a very similar club to the Bullingdon. He went to the same senior school as Ken Clarke - except Ken Clarke got there on a scholarship.

Alistair Darling also went to public school - the same public school that Andrew Marr went to.

There are many more cabinet members and Labour Mps that went to private school but I can't be bothered to trawl through them all.

Lets also not forget that our previous PM Tony Blair went to Fettes - the Scottish equivalent of Eton. Don't remember many labour supporters complaining about that at the time.

Eton is one of many very good public schools in the country. It isn't the only public school, it just happens to be one that most people have heard of and Labour are capitalising on that right now out of sheer necessity. Lets face it they can hardly campaign on the basis of their record over the last 13 years and they don't appear to have any plans to deal with the deficit that they ran up apart from to make it illegal for their successors to be as irresponsible as they have.

Forgive me for saying this, but those who will really and truly vote Labour because the fact that David Cameron and Boris Johnson went to Eton is their No 1 concern are the type of people who know nothing about politics and current affairs and everything about soaps and z list celebs. The sort of people who say "I always vote Labour me, Labour's the party of the working class". The sort of people who have an IQ roughly at the same level as a comfortably warm room.

Edited to add that Boris Johnson won a scholarship to Eton. Are Labourites against the brightest people making it into politics as well as those that come from wealthy backgrounds?

bambam101

mbga9pgf wrote: »

How can you say that after the last debacle the Labour party created, that Maggie had to fix?

How can you say that today, with the mess gordon brown has left us in.

Dont confuse what you see with your eyes with what is actually going on in real life. I find labour voters live more for today at tommorrows expense; they are inherently selfish.

Maggie had to fix? lets go though what she fixed. 3 million unemployed, the destruction of manufacturing industry, the laying waste to large parts of northern England, Wales and Scotland to unemployment, the poll tax, education and health budgets slash two the bone, two recessions during her term in office, and inner city riots, Not the greatest rollcall of achievements is it.

I prefered John Major, he was a decent man treated awfully by the anti europe MP's in his party. And Labour inherited a country in good shape due to him and Ken Clark.

whathavewedone

Bambam, if Labour are more trusted to run the country than the tories, can you explain why for the last 2 years the tories have been consistently in the lead in opinion polls?

Can you explain why, when people are asked sub questions in opinion polls, people regularly say that they trust the tories on the economy rather than Labour? That they regularly say that they prefer David Cameron to Gordon Brown? Even in Scotland more people polled recently said they think DC would be a better PM than GB and that really is saying something.

Thanked your last post as while I disagree entirely with what you say about Thatcher, I do agree in part about Major - I think he was an honest decent man - his latest understated but fairly damning comments about the Iraq war bear that out - although I would credit Ken Clarke rather than him with the golden economy we enjoyed in 1997.

bambam101

whathavewedone wrote: »

Bambam I think you need to have a look at where some of the current cabinet went to school.

Harriet Harman went to St Pauls - girls equivalent of Eton/Harrow.

Ed Balls was educated privately from prep school upwards and was part of a drinking club called the Steamers at university - a very similar club to the Bullingdon. He went to the same senior school as Ken Clarke - except Ken Clarke got there on a scholarship.

Alistair Darling also went to public school - the same public school that Andrew Marr went to.

There are many more cabinet members and Labour Mps that went to private school but I can't be bothered to trawl through them all.

Lets also not forget that our previous PM Tony Blair went to Fettes - the Scottish equivalent of Eton. Don't remember many labour supporters complaining about that at the time.

Eton is one of many very good public schools in the country. It isn't the only public school, it just happens to be one that most people have heard of and Labour are capitalising on that right now out of sheer necessity. Lets face it they can hardly campaign on the basis of their record over the last 13 years and they don't appear to have any plans to deal with the deficit that they ran up apart from to make it illegal for their successors to be as irresponsible as they have.

Forgive me for saying this, but those who will really and truly vote Labour because the fact that David Cameron and Boris Johnson went to Eton is their No 1 concern are the type of people who know nothing about politics and current affairs and everything about soaps and z list celebs. The sort of people who say "I always vote Labour me, Labour's the party of the working class". The sort of people who have an IQ roughly at the same level as a comfortably warm room.

Edited to add that Boris Johnson won a scholarship to Eton. Are Labourites against the brightest people making it into politics as well as those that come from wealthy backgrounds?

There is no doubt that Labour the Labour front bench is stuffed with ex oxbridge students, but the tory shadow cabinet has more old Etonians in it then it should have, you gave a spirited defence about Labour not being as true to its working class origins as it could or should be, but why are the former pupils of one secondary school near Windsor so heavily populated in the conservative front bench. Is is because they are somehow better then the rest of the population - I think not, it is pure cronyism, even other public schools dont get that much of a look in with this lot, just David Cameron helping his old schoolfriends to the top jobs -hardly a meritocracy is it. The tories have always ruled for the few and not the many, that is the reason I would never vote for them.

By the way, I dont like ex-factor