Electric Saver Device? Sounds like a Con...

harry_robson

Cardew wrote: »

You are getting confused I think. The powertune electric saver which is the subject of this thread is not a V Phase!

The powertune is simply a device(a capicitor) that supposedly corrects the 'power factor'.

It will have no effect on a domestic electricity bill as customers are billed on the kWh they consume - not kVa.

Your V phase is a voltage optimisation device that reduces the house voltage - typically to around 220 volts.

This will give some savings - but in the main only on motors/compressors(fridges) etc. As Ohms law still applies! it will save nothing on heating, lights will be dimmer etc.

There have been several threads on devices like V phase and many believe that the savings will be minimal and it will take a long time, if ever to recoup your outlay.

However if you have bought such a device, I suspect you will disagree and provide 'proof' that will satisfy yourself!

I visit the USA a lot and my laptop runs happily on 115 volts - but believe it or not it still uses the same power!!!!!!

hi i know what you are saying if they are that rubbish why are they still on the market also how did the key meter weekly spend was £15 and went down to £11 and it has stayed there ??????:cool:

harry_robson

the kw usage will go down if there is less waste if it does balance the electric out

i mite get one on do my own test then i can send you one if it works ha ha

harry_robson

Cardew wrote: »

You are getting confused I think. The powertune electric saver which is the subject of this thread is not a V Phase!

The powertune is simply a device(a capicitor) that supposedly corrects the 'power factor'.

It will have no effect on a domestic electricity bill as customers are billed on the kWh they consume - not kVa.

Your V phase is a voltage optimisation device that reduces the house voltage - typically to around 220 volts.

This will give some savings - but in the main only on motors/compressors(fridges) etc. As Ohms law still applies! it will save nothing on heating, lights will be dimmer etc.

There have been several threads on devices like V phase and many believe that the savings will be minimal and it will take a long time, if ever to recoup your outlay.

However if you have bought such a device, I suspect you will disagree and provide 'proof' that will satisfy yourself!

I visit the USA a lot and my laptop runs happily on 115 volts - but believe it or not it still uses the same power!!!!!!

i know that and i know the difference :beer: thanks

Tangible

Harry Said

"hi i know some one who has had one of these fitted and they have a electric key meter it has reduced there cost from £15 per week to £11.64 thats £4.36 it must be doing something"

How do they know that ?

They'd have to make a detailed note of every electrical device and when used, taking in to account the action of thermostats and reproduce the same usage another week, which to detect a change of £4.36 would be virtually impossible.

There've been a rash of thise gizmos turning up on threads here, and with no technical knowledge, I find the claims made highly amusing, which is probably the major flaw in the product - dodgey sales patter. I'll leave the experts to argue over the details but I am tempted by the one advertised in the shape of a 'piggy' but I'm foiled the over complexity of the operating instructions.

Plug this device into a wall socket.....

When you see 2 green LED lights turn on.....

For expert users this precautionary safety warning is provided

The device must be plugged in firmly

If its ears wiggled or eyes blinked it could be a winner.

Just when I was being playful :eek: Houston - we have a problem !

The website 'whois' is covered by a domain privacy service (never a good sign) but being an avid reader of terms and conditions, I referred back to the website and note that paragraph 16 states

The full name of our company is Club Telecom Ltd T/As Uk Power Saver. We are registered in [England & Wales] under registration number 03343891

Referring to Companies House I note that it was dissolved last month, and I did all this without knowing an amp from an ohm.

Interestingly Companies House records show this

Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
7486 - Call centre activities

Riddle me that Batman. :rotfl:

Dare I say - someone's got a lot of piggies going cheap, cheap, cheap. (Sorry - I just couldn't resist).

Cardew

Tangible wrote: »

I'll leave the experts to argue over the details

Nice post.

No arguments amongst the experts as there is nothing to argue about - the devices are useless for saving money.

Tangible

Sorry Cardew, I was setting aside the technical issues, which I am sure you're perfectly correct in what you say, and pointing it that it had more problems besides even those major flaws.

It seems quite popular in the Far East. Perhaps the trader offering them for sale could explore the export market.

harry_robson

ar well these did not come from a call centre and that is what my friend did and they are sure it has saved them money im going to get to the bottom of this and im going to get my friend who is a lecky do some tests

like i said they should be banned if they dont work ?????

harry_robson

check out france germany belguim ireland many more ? there must be some law selling dodgy saver things if they dont work yes or no

Cardew

harry_robson wrote: »

check out france germany belguim ireland many more ? there must be some law selling dodgy saver things if they dont work yes or no

This is a website for people to save money.

If those power factor correction devices worked, do you not think the many qualified electricians and engineers on this site would be recommending them; not to mention the Government and organisations like WHICH and the Energy Saving Trust.

They do not save a single penny and are a waste of time and money.

Google and confirm what I said.

I assume that as you are trying to imply they work in France and Germany etc you are presumably a linguist and have read up on the data.

Of course there are laws to stop people selling appliances that are basically a con, enforcing that law is another matter.

jalexa

Tangible wrote: »

Referring to Companies House I note that it was dissolved last month, and I did all this without knowing an amp from an ohm.

something I like to do is to use Google Streetmaps (using the postcode) to see the factory.

I did - no factory.