What will happen if he has no work?

LizzieS_2

shell_542 wrote: »

The case does but the payments start from when they contact the NRP. I have seen quite a few posts from PWCs complaining it has taken the CSA months to even attempt to contact the NRP and they have missed out on months of payments as the CSA won't backdate it to the moment the PWC contacted them.

True, but speedster is also right.

I've said the same as you Shell before and ended up being attacked by the same arguments Speedster is giving (just I've usually ended up with lots of opposition).

Firstly only the pwc knows if the csa has been given a name - depends how much the nrp trusts the pwcs answer on that one. Lack of contact doesn't automatically mean there isn't a case building up.

The csa do have to make contact with the nrp quickly as they could end paying the lost maintenance to pwc. Going back to csa1, this would have been done by MEF (letter) in many cases. Due to the backlogs the csa didn't chase non-returned MEFs until (in many cases) the last few years.

The key is the MEF as you say, but Speedster is right too because it is quite easy for a MEF to be issued to a correct address years ago but never having been received by nrp (lost in post).

shell_542

LizzieS wrote: »

True, but speedster is also right.

I've said the same as you Shell before and ended up being attacked by the same arguments Speedster is giving (just I've usually ended up with lots of opposition).

Firstly only the pwc knows if the csa has been given a name - depends how much the nrp trusts the pwcs answer on that one. Lack of contact doesn't automatically mean there isn't a case building up.

The csa do have to make contact with the nrp quickly as they could end paying the lost maintenance to pwc. Going back to csa1, this would have been done by MEF (letter) in many cases. Due to the backlogs the csa didn't chase non-returned MEFs until (in many cases) the last few years.

The key is the MEF as you say, but Speedster is right too because it is quite easy for a MEF to be issued to a correct address years ago but never having been received by nrp (lost in post).

But Speedster hasn't een saying that Lizzie. That's what I've been arguing. Speedster is saying that a case is open even if the CSA don't have a name for an NRP. How can they possibly send a letter which may not be received to someone with no name or address?

LizzieS_2

shell_542 wrote: »

But Speedster hasn't een saying that Lizzie. That's what I've been arguing. Speedster is saying that a case is open even if the CSA don't have a name for an NRP. How can they possibly send a letter which may not be received to someone with no name or address?

Shell, it isn't just on that (though yes he did go that far and was incorrect).

Sometimes, people have been affected by their own situation to a point that they truely believe everyone is out to get them and anyone else like them. It is just easier to make a point and then give up as a lost cause as no matter how much you reason, it will not get anywhere. Believe me, I've tried lots of times before and some just don't want to listen for whatever reason.

Loopy_Girl

shell_542 wrote: »

But Speedster hasn't een saying that Lizzie. That's what I've been arguing. Speedster is saying that a case is open even if the CSA don't have a name for an NRP. How can they possibly send a letter which may not be received to someone with no name or address?

Agreed. He's been saying that is a PWC refuses - or doesn't know - then a case will be opened regardless and arrears accrue. How can a case be opened if there is no name or address to send the MEF and how the hell can arrears accrue if the CSA have not contacted the NRP (cos they can't) so have no idea of income?

I do agree with you Lizzie that cases can suddenly appear out of nowhere but only if the MEF has originally issued. No NRP contact details then no MEF issue.

I'm also struggling to comprehend why Speedster is saying that the stats he has been quoting recently he has obtained from NACSA...surely as an alledged CSA employee, the stats would be much more obtainable.

And lets be honest, CSA Bolton does have a reputation within the service of not knowing it's @rse from it's elbow. One case worker even said to me to pray that my case never went there as it's like a bermuda triangle..cases go in but never come out:rotfl::rotfl:

shell_542

LizzieS wrote: »

Shell, it isn't just on that (though yes he did go that far and was incorrect).

Sometimes, people have been affected by their own situation to a point that they truely believe everyone is out to get them and anyone else like them. It is just easier to make a point and then give up as a lost cause as no matter how much you reason, it will not get anywhere. Believe me, I've tried lots of times before and some just don't want to listen for whatever reason.

I asked that very question earlier, if his opinion of the CSA is clouding his judgement.

It would be very easy to just leave it and let him get on with it ... but I don't think is fair to give out incorrect information and scare the death out of the poor OP which is what Speedster has done.

speedster

shell_542 wrote: »

I asked that very question earlier, if his opinion of the CSA is clouding his judgement.

It would be very easy to just leave it and let him get on with it ... but I don't think is fair to give out incorrect information and scare the death out of the poor OP which is what Speedster has done.

right. i'm only gonna sy this ONE more time.

i am saying that once they have a case against the nrp (which is what could happen here) then they can come up with whatever figure they like and get a LO for it. the judge CANNOT go against the csa on this. once they have established ANY level of debt, the amounts are irrelevant. you could legally owe them a tenner and they would get a LO for 30k on ya.

i defy anyone here to argue that point. no i'm not clouded, but it's clear that i'm more clued up and realistic than most "advising" on here.

doubt what i'm saying. i couldn't give a fook. don't come crying to me when the brown envelope of death drops on your doorstep.

speedster

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Agreed. He's been saying that is a PWC refuses - or doesn't know - then a case will be opened regardless and arrears accrue.

SIMPLE. THE CASE WAS OPENED THE DAY SHE CLAIMED HER FIRST BENEFITS.


How can a case be opened if there is no name or address to send the MEF and how the hell can arrears accrue if the CSA have not contacted the NRP (cos they can't) so have no idea of income?

THEY DON'T NEED INCOME DETAILS. THEY DO AN IMA.

I do agree with you Lizzie that cases can suddenly appear out of nowhere but only if the MEF has originally issued. No NRP contact details then no MEF issue.

THIS IS WHERE HAVING YOUR DPA FILES COMES IN HANDY. I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO GET THEM.

I'm also struggling to comprehend why Speedster is saying that the stats he has been quoting recently he has obtained from NACSA...surely as an alledged CSA employee, the stats would be much more obtainable.

NO. STOP TWISTING MY WORDS. I SAID INFO HAS COME FROM EX EMPLOYEES. I NEVER SAID I WORKED FOR THEM.

And lets be honest, CSA Bolton does have a reputation within the service of not knowing it's @rse from it's elbow. One case worker even said to me to pray that my case never went there as it's like a bermuda triangle..cases go in but never come out:rotfl::rotfl:
AGREED THERE.

sorry for caps lock. just highlighting my points.

Loopy_Girl

*sigh*

How can they open a case and send an MEF is they don't have an NRP's name, address, DOB or ANYTHING to allow them to link who the father is?

speedster

blimey40 wrote: »

The cass starts from the moment the PWC makes contact with the CSA.

its true they pluck figures out of the air and go to courts for Liabvility orders without no evidence that is the sum owed. In many cases these are IMA's with a fair split of NRP's who did not intially respond regards what they earned and others that never knew.

Section 33 is abused, the CSA know that the magistrates cannot challenge the amount, even though its probably wrong. More importantly directors of the CSA got a wrap on the knuckles a few years back and promised to get back arrears. The large sum on longstanding cases makes that attractive to go after because such huge sums are involved. Nrp's who are obilivous to laws and regualtions pay up, believing thats what they have to do. The total figure owed to the Secretary of state runs into millions and only a percentage will ever be got back.

finally, someone who knows what they're talking about.

Loopy_Girl

speedster wrote: »

just for the record, if i know so little about the csa, then why was i the only one who spotted the fake csa employee on here a month or so back.

i sussed him out on his second post. why?? cos i know their rules, how they get round them and how they operate.

the clown (i work at cas bolton)knew naff all. that was clear, yet a lot of members here were sucked in by it.

when i confronted him about it, he did the off.

enough said.

Have just realised that you were talking about the other poster and when I read it and I thought YOU were saying you worked at Bolton.

I didn't mean for it to appear I was twisting your words - I misread it. Apologies