What will happen if he has no work?

Loopy_Girl

If the Mother refused to give the name there would be no case from the CSA. She would get a reduction in her benefit but the case would have to be closed as there is no NRP to chase.

And in case you're wondering how I know this speedster, I asked when the very nice man from the CSA came to visit me 5 days - yes, 5 days - after I had had my daughter to get the details to open my case. And I am/was on CSA1

speedster

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

If the Mother refused to give the name there would be no case from the CSA. She would get a reduction in her benefit but the case would have to be closed as there is no NRP to chase.

And in case you're wondering how I know this speedster, I asked when the very nice man from the CSA came to visit me 5 days - yes, 5 days - after I had had my daughter to get the details to open my case. And I am/was on CSA1

wrong again.

for starters rules have changed since 2003. your case is before then.

also, if, in a few years you were to miraculously "remember" the nrp details, they would go after him with an IMA for the period before they knew his details.

you are all missing the point. once they have a name, whether the amounts are correct or not, the hounds will be set loose to recouperate money for the SOS.

shell_542

speedster wrote: »

again, not correct.

the debt WILL exist, they just haven't got a name on it yet. wouldn't be the first time an NRP gets the dreaded brown envelope for a bill for £30k for a child they didn't know even existed.

also, i get the feeling that you think the csa will be acting "legally" i can assure you, they wont. they can get a LO without proof of the debt being correct. (unconstitutional, and against the HRA) and incidentally, they are the only ones that can do this.

so, if you admit to owing a tenner, they can and will get a LO for 30k if they want to. they are a law unto themselves and DO NOT under estimate the depths they will stoop to, just to get the figures and their bonus' up.

If they have no evidence of sending out correspondence to an address they believed the NRP to be living at then there will be no payments due. Payments start from when the CSA contact the NRP.

In the cases where an NRP has received a letter through their door for thousands in arrears it's normally because they've either ignored the matter for a long time or the CSA were trying to contact them at an incorrect address and gave up.

Anon, have you asked your partner if he has ever been contacted by the CSA in the past, for any reason regarding his child? Even just a phone call or a letter. If he hasn't, the only way he could be in arrears with the CSA is if they had tried to contact him but he didn't receive it for whatever reason. I would imagine as he has contact with his child, the PWC would have at some point let slip in some way that she had contacted the CSA. Maybe that is just positive thinking though.

All you can do now is try make all future payments legit. A standing order into the PWCs bank account for example. A receipt would be good if you can get it.

shell_542

speedster wrote: »

wrong again.

for starters rules have changed since 2003. your case is before then.

also, if, in a few years you were to miraculously "remember" the nrp details, they would go after him with an IMA for the period before they knew his details.

you are all missing the point. once they have a name, whether the amounts are correct or not, the hounds will be set loose to recouperate money for the SOS.

You seem to be missing the point that they cannot backdate arrears to a date BEFORE the case was opened.

Yes the CSA can be absolute pains in the backsides and a law unto themselves but where are you getting your evidence from?

Did something happen to you directly that means you know for certain they will backdate a CSA case to the date a child was born or a couple split, even if a case was never opened, just because the PWC was on benefits?

Or is it just that you have such a low expectation and opinion of the CSA you assume they will do that because they are evil?

speedster

shell_542 wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point that they cannot backdate arrears to a date BEFORE the case was opened.

Yes the CSA can be absolute pains in the backsides and a law unto themselves but where are you getting your evidence from?

Did something happen to you directly that means you know for certain they will backdate a CSA case to the date a child was born or a couple split, even if a case was never opened, just because the PWC was on benefits?

Or is it just that you have such a low expectation and opinion of the CSA you assume they will do that because they are evil?

please look into some facts before making assumptions.

the csa are above the law, (or they think they are anyway).

fact 1. they can and WILL secure a LO against you if they apply for one. the magistrates hands are tied and have to issue a LO.

therefore, fact 2 comes into effect. they can do a IMA for the period they had no contact with the NRP and tack it onto the amount now owed.

fact 3 . over 99% of applications made to the court by the csa for LO's are granted.

fact 4. the nrp can protest the amounts of a LO till the cows come home, they will still secure a LO for an INCORRECT amount.

don't believe me?? join nacsa or afairercsa and read the horror stories and injustices on there.

speedster

oh, and yes they are evil.

there is a lot of blood on their hands.

shell_542

I would love to see some evidence of where the CSA have had a PWC contact them for the very first time when a child is, lets say for example, 10 years old for child support and they have then out of thin air backdated the case to the birth of the child as the parents were apart and the PWC was on IS.

They do lots of unpleasant things but I have never encountered evidence that they have done that. If you can show me, please do.

A case is opened when a PWC contact them and payments start accruing when they contact the NRP.

shell_542

And please forgive me for not parting with the best part of £50 to join NACSA just to see if you are telling the truth

shell_542

speedster wrote: »

oh, and yes they are evil.

there is a lot of blood on their hands.

I never said they weren't evil. I was asking are your comments on what the CSA do based on your dislike of them or actual evidence you have/have seen of what you are saying they do.

speedster

shell_542 wrote: »

I would love to see some evidence of where the CSA have had a PWC contact them for the very first time when a child is, lets say for example, 10 years old for child support and they have then out of thin air backdated the case to the birth of the child as the parents were apart and the PWC was on IS.

They do lots of unpleasant things but I have never encountered evidence that they have done that. If you can show me, please do.

A case is opened when a PWC contact them and payments start accruing when they contact the NRP.

no. a case is there whether they have a name or not. please listen to what i am saying.

they CAN and WILL go after an nrp when they get his details. they'll make up some numbers and head off to court to get a LO.