Liz Jones is Credit Crunched in the end.....

poppy10_2

beanielou wrote: »

In the column she does for MOS You magazine this Sunday past she wasent even able to pay for a hotel stay as all her cards were declined & she couldent get money from the cashpoint either.Oooops.

God, she deliberately tries to wind us up, doesn't she:

Knowing I had to be in town the following day, I turned up at the fairly cheap hotel in Shepherd's Bush I always stay in for work. They know me here: they valet-park and clean my BMW and understand I require soya milk with my cornflakes.

As I handed the bellboy my Prada suitcase, the man at reception asked for a credit card. It was declined. I gave him another one. Declined. I offered him a debit card but he said his machine wouldn't take it. I picked up my bag, collected my case with as much dignity as I could muster and went out on to the pavement.

I'm used to being treated in a certain way because of my protective veneer of nice clothes, expensive luggage, car, credit cards, but for the first time I could feel what it's like to have nothing.

While the plight of the homeless has gone out of fashion in recent years, it hasn't gone away. Thousands of people still end up on the street because of mental illness, addiction, abuse or sheer bad luck.

Only when you are faced with the prospect of even one night on the pavement can you begin to understand what it's like to be down on your luck.

My agent eventually turned up to bail me out.

lostinrates

lemonjelly wrote: »

Ahem, I could always rub your leg for you, see if that did anything for you?;)

Goodness gracious, DH only went back to work this morning LJ, and here you are propositioning me! What do you take me for? (offer again tmorrow, eh?)

fc123

beanielou wrote: »

In the column she does for MOS You magazine this Sunday past she wasent even able to pay for a hotel stay as all her cards were declined & she couldent get money from the cashpoint either.Oooops.

Article in full.


Sometimes, the best bit about these columns are the illustrations.

I don't think she has had her LBM yet as to not know what card/account has available funds in it is a classic 'chaos' money moment.

To compare herself to a homeless person is not good form though...she really has no connection to much outside her own life it seems. I know she has visited factories in Sri Lanka and suchlike and rescues animals but she still comes over to me as very disconnected from reality.

I await the DFW style column whereby she writes everything out and does a budget.

fc123

Liz Jones writes about wool.

Oh dear..not a great article but some interesting industry gossip in it...like Izzy lane going for Tesco Deal. If that's what it takes to keep her sheep and mill going, good for her and I hope Tesco pay her mountains of £££ too. I know Tesco are doing it for ''The Rub Off'' but that seems to be the deal nowadays.

Liz is a Vegan but wears leather, wool, cashmere bla bla...tut tut. Liz is a vegan but she is really orthorexic and it makes it easier to avoid eating certain things.

Anyway.. Q for LIR; I thought that there was no such thing as factory farmed sheep as they have to live outdoors and don't flourish if shoved in a barn or sqaushed into cages?
I understand that there can be cruelty involved in the killing, transportation and shearing processes but I am sure intensively farmed sheep don't exist.

Once you confirm, I may go all know all on her article and actually post something.:o

wigglebeena

fc123 wrote: »

Liz Jones writes about wool.

Oh dear..not a great article but some interesting industry gossip in it...like Izzy lane going for Tesco Deal. If that's what it takes to keep her sheep and mill going, good for her and I hope Tesco pay her mountains of £££ too. I know Tesco are doing it for ''The Rub Off'' but that seems to be the deal nowadays.

Liz is a Vegan but wears leather, wool, cashmere bla bla...tut tut. Liz is a vegan but she is really orthorexic and it makes it easier to avoid eating certain things.

Anyway.. Q for LIR; I thought that there was no such thing as factory farmed sheep as they have to live outdoors and don't flourish if shoved in a barn or sqaushed into cages?
I understand that there can be cruelty involved in the killing, transportation and shearing processes but I am sure intensively farmed sheep don't exist.

Once you confirm, I may go all know all on her article and actually post something.:o

This is what I thought and how I justify eating lamb. I have never investigated too closely in case it is not true.

mrs_robinson_3

This is, variously, fascinating, horryifying and just so so SO self indulgent! I often read her stuff (when I come across it, I don't seek it out!), though I always feel kind of sullied afterwards.

It's all just a desperate cry for attention really, isn't it?

What I really think, though, is that she feels she's missed the zeitgeist this time, and is rather belatedly jumping on the Thrift Boat, hoping to grab a piece of the action. But India Knight did it first, and is a much warmer charcter than LJ, so I'm in her camp.

Get me, I don't usually get so worked up about someone I've never met, but this lady kind of flicks all my switches. She needs to do what most people on here do, that is, work hard, focus on her goals, and accept that getting to where you want to be takes effort.

Oh, and be quiet too, please, in the process. That would be nice.

Humph. - sorry, don't know what's got into me, I just really dislike her permanent "poor little me" stance.

Mrs R

chucky

fc123 wrote: »

Liz Jones writes about wool.

i'd never heard of this woman before but she makes excellent reading.

is she really like this or does she do this for effect to get the headlines?

lostinrates

fc123 wrote: »

Anyway.. Q for LIR; I thought that there was no such thing as factory farmed sheep as they have to live outdoors and don't flourish if shoved in a barn or sqaushed into cages?
I understand that there can be cruelty involved in the killing, transportation and shearing processes but I am sure intensively farmed sheep don't exist.

Once you confirm, I may go all know all on her article and actually post something.:o

OK, AIUI its not quite as straightforward as this now. (tomterm might actually know more about this than me?)

Perhaps a more accuarate interpretation is not that they thrive less indoors than other farmed animals but that the economic return on it is very different. Cows are heavy on the land, but also require extremely ''rich diet'': thus keeping them in has dual reward economically: they poach the ground less (thereby not dinihing value of it for sale/ntrition as summer grazing or winter cut forage)and can be pumped with food. Sheep actually do not require a (proportionately) rich diet and are light on ground, thus, its not they thrive less, (which might arguably also be true) but that the return...especially non sheep prices of recent years, makes it less worthwhile.

Ewes are brought in and kept in in in very, very many instances during lambing season (when the return makes it worthwhile: not least its considerably easier to monitor barned ewes than field kept, and light, heat can be provided to farmer/lambing attendants of whatever description) and supervision to adoptee orphans can be monitored and also separation of lambs with infection etc.

I don't personally know of any intensively reared sheep, but that certainly doesn't mean it doesn't happen: I have not worked professionally with sheep (I've done a couple of lambing seasons, but, claim absolutely NO authority on sheep. ), and don't know anyone in UK who is an intensive sheep farmer, but ....I don't know TBH! I'm stuggling to imagine how the return would be significantly improved to make it worthwhile but it could be possible???some people would consider barning for lambing a sort of ''intensive'' I guess, in anycase (I would in most cases consider it a humane option, better than many alternatives!).

nota bene, intensive versus non intensive is not necessarily cruel v friendly, (though it would be easier if it did, e.g. organic doesn't mean friendly, it means simply organic, which often IS coincendeantally of for managment reasons friendly, and free range doesn't mean that much...pigs like mud for skin, not for constant living environment! But pigs are a particularly difficult thing IMO, they are SO intelligent: I don't think, for example, I would find it easy to provide a humane living envirnomnet for the traditional pig breeds, though see the meat value and like them lots!) and sheep DO provide a perfect example of that at least. The wool/hide from unborn lambs is considered a superior product in some circles and cultures (astrakhan? karakul lamb, xianggol - there are other names/places, and my spellings are likely to be wrong): while not always intensively reared the unborn lamb/s and the ewe are both slaughtered for the fleece, and thus, the price reflects the loss of both ewe and lamb. and I suppose snob value??

so sorry, I guess answer is ...''dunno''.:o

fc123

chucky wrote: »

i'd never heard of this woman before but she makes excellent reading.

is she really like this or does she do this for effect to get the headlines?

100% real I am afraid..and works within my sector as a commentator (us producers are so overworked, underpaid and undervalued that we don't get to indulge ourselves like she does) and she, to me, is A Sign of Our Times.

You get paid masses to waffle and write about it but peanuts to create the very thing that needs someone to waffle and write about it.
Not sour grapes...well... a bit maybe. I must practise my writing as she earns £450kpa... That deff deserves one of these :eek:
Sorry if that's a bit unclear...I just fell off the end of Conrads thread....

fc123

lostinrates wrote: »

OK, AIUI its not quite as straightforward as this now. (tomterm might actually know more about this than me?)

Perhaps a more accuarate interpretation is not that they thrive less indoors than other farmed animals but that the economic return on it is very different. Cows are heavy on the land, but also require extremely ''rich diet'': thus keeping them in has dual reward economically: they poach the ground less (thereby not dinihing value of it for sale/ntrition as summer grazing or winter cut forage)and can be pumped with food. Sheep actually do not require a (proportionately) rich diet and are light on ground, thus, its not they thrive less, (which might arguably also be true) but that the return...especially non sheep prices of recent years, makes it less worthwhile.

Ewes are brought in and kept in in in very, very many instances during lambing season (when the return makes it worthwhile: not least its considerably easier to monitor barned ewes than field kept, and light, heat can be provided to farmer/lambing attendants of whatever description) and supervision to adoptee orphans can be monitored and also separation of lambs with infection etc.

I don't personally know of any intensively reared sheep, but that certainly doesn't mean it doesn't happen: I have not worked professionally with sheep (I've done a couple of lambing seasons, but, claim absolutely NO authority on sheep. ), and don't know anyone in UK who is an intensive sheep farmer, but ....I don't know TBH! I'm stuggling to imagine how the return would be significantly improved to make it worthwhile but it could be possible???some people would consider barning for lambing a sort of ''intensive'' I guess, in anycase (I would in most cases consider it a humane option, better than many alternatives!).

nota bene, intensive versus non intensive is not necessarily cruel v friendly, (though it would be easier if it did, e.g. organic doesn't mean friendly, it means simply organic, which often IS coincendeantally of for managment reasons friendly, and free range doesn't mean that much...pigs like mud for skin, not for constant living environment! But pigs are a particularly difficult thing IMO, they are SO intelligent: I don't think, for example, I would find it easy to provide a humane living envirnomnet for the traditional pig breeds, though see the meat value and like them lots!) and sheep DO provide a perfect example of that at least. The wool/hide from unborn lambs is considered a superior product in some circles and cultures (astrakhan? karakul lamb, xianggol - there are other names/places, and my spellings are likely to be wrong): while not always intensively reared the unborn lamb/s and the ewe are both slaughtered for the fleece, and thus, the price reflects the loss of both ewe and lamb. and I suppose snob value??

so sorry, I guess answer is ...''dunno''.:o

Thanks Lir....I remember Astrakan coats (also called Persian Lamb) from when we dealt in vintage clothing...didn't think it existed still.

I only know about Welsh Hill sheep from an old family friend in the Brecon beacons and they were struggling to make a living in the 70's.
According to them sheep cannot flourish indoors F/T (like Danish pig farming...cruellest thing around).


PS; I got your reply...I can sleep easily now


PPS; due to snow causing all sorts of delays workwise I am delaying my road trip until Feb.