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Howdens Traders passing on discount - Scam??

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  • jillytb
    jillytb Posts: 71 Forumite
    Keystone, the problem is you don't read all the detail just the bits you want to pick holes with, something you are very good at I may add!

    But you really ought to get out more, I have noticed you seem to do this on a lot of other postings but whatever floats your boat!

    I find some of your postings very sarcastic and indeed high handed, despite you apologising for "appearing" "rude" before.

    For someone who thinks this thread is ridiculous from post 1 your posting her belies tha very comment.

    Anyway you go have a great time posting and quoting, yawn! I am off out to enjoy myself:beer:
  • System
    System Posts: 178,349 Community Admin
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    jillytb wrote: »
    the problem is you don't read all the detail

    this is the funniest thing i've heard yet!
    if there was any detail maybe we could all read it...
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  • keystone
    keystone Posts: 10,916 Forumite
    jillytb wrote: »
    Keystone, the problem is you don't read all the detail
    :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Edit: Oh b.gg.r - t'arsel beat me to it.
    just the bits you want to pick holes with, something you are very good at I may add!
    Kind of you to say so.
    But you really ought to get out more, I have noticed you seem to do this on a lot of other postings but whatever floats your boat!
    Yes I do because thats the way I deal with the detail.
    I find some of your postings very sarcastic and indeed high handed, despite you apologising for "appearing" "rude" before.
    Tell it how I see it. People get sarcasm when they deserve it. Would still like some evidence of high handedness please though.
    For someone who thinks this thread is ridiculous from post 1 your posting her belies tha very comment.
    No PAGE 1 - now who can't read. Good grief.
    Anyway you go have a great time posting and quoting, yawn! I am off out to enjoy myself:beer:
    Now who's being sarcastic - anyway enjoy!

    Cheers
    The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. - Einstein
  • Leif
    Leif Posts: 3,727 Forumite
    keystone wrote: »
    So my reading of that paragraph was correct and that was what you meant to say? Yet you berate me for taking personal offence. Whaaat?

    But you make no sense. Your explanation on your "quick comment" post made the paragraph mean something entirely different. Has the word consistency been expunged from your dictionary? (Yes that was supposed to be sarcy. :D)

    Would you please direct me to the entry where any poster (whether tradesman or not) specifically condoned the action of which the OP complained.

    Look at post number 82. No need for faux (I presume you mean false but you are being pretentious) outrage. And the general tone from most of the thread, until recently, has been largely a lack of sympathy for the OP, and a preference to give her a good kicking rather than to assume she might be telling the truth, and to comment on the case in that light.
    keystone wrote: »

    As we have yet to find out whther it really is a scam or not thats a silly statement. Secondly I do remember one poster suggesting that the OP might not have obtained the copy of the second invoice legally. Is that what you mean?

    So you should be ashamed of yourself for tarring eveybody with an unproven brush and whether you like it or not I remain offended by it.

    Are you taking the pith? Here is what I said:

    "If this thread has taught me one thing, it is to be extra careful when dealing with tradesmen etc. My dealings with a plumber and builder many years ago were fine, and recent experience with kitchen people (Optiplan) has been outstanding, very efficient and honest, but it looks like that might not be the norm. "

    How is that tarring everyone with the same brush?
    keystone wrote: »

    Apparent being the key word here and by its use you are retreating from your previously stated position. Can I presume that the use of faux outrage is designed to distract from that? I could be wrong of course - it has been known.

    Cheers

    Stop playing stupid word games. I genuinely am shocked by some of the comments in this thread and if you had bothered to read through it before attacking me you would understand. Go back and read through it.

    I don't care for your rude and aggressive posting style. When I posted a thread about problems I have been having with a builder, you responded in a manner that took 100% the side of the builder, and gave me a good kicking. That pee'd me off. You claimed to have read it dispassionately. And yet you made assumptions, for example that the builder and I annoy each other. You made fatuous and ignorant statements, saying it was my fault for poor communications. When I asked you what I should do you did not answer. They still have not fixed the floor despite numerous phone calls and emails. And they still have not mended the window frame. So Mr. aggressive know all, what am I supposed to do? Is there a magic word? Pretty please? Is that it? I have noticed your responses to other people have been blunt to the point of rudeness. And you are a hypocrite. You are VERY quick to give others a thorough verbal kicking, but if someone seems (in your view) to insult you, you have a hissy fit. :mad::mad::mad:
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  • keystone
    keystone Posts: 10,916 Forumite
    edited 25 August 2011 at 12:15AM
    Leif wrote: »
    Look at post number 82. No need for faux (I presume you mean false but you are being pretentious) outrage. And the general tone from most of the thread, until recently, has been largely a lack of sympathy for the OP, and a preference to give her a good kicking rather than to assume she might be telling the truth, and to comment on the case in that light.
    I have looked at 82. It is clear to me that TJ may have missed the dual invoice scenario. If he has (or has not) then perhaps he can come back here and say one way or the other. If he hasn't missed it then it could be interpreted that he condones the action complained of. At present I don't interpret what looks like an error of omission in that way. I am happy to be wrong.
    Are you taking the pith?
    Pith? Is that a pretentious word for p i s s? No of course I'm not. I have explained how I interpreted your paragraph and you came up with one explanation of why I was wrong. Unfortunately your explanation omitted a key sentence from your original paragraph which entirely changed the meaning of that paragraph.
    Here is what I said:

    "If this thread has taught me one thing, it is to be extra careful when dealing with tradesmen etc. My dealings with a plumber and builder many years ago were fine, and recent experience with kitchen people (Optiplan) has been outstanding, very efficient and honest, but it looks like that might not be the norm."
    I know exactly what you said and I have already said how I interpreted that to mean you have decided that efficiency and honesty are not the norm. You subsequently confirmed that you stood by your original statement which I then asked you if that was true that you did feel that to be the case and that my original interpretation of what you wrote was correct. You appear to have confirmed that and this is what I meant by tarring everyone with the same brush. You still have not answered I note. If it turns out that that is not what you meant at all please say so. I'll withdraw what I said in response and we can move on.

    I am not attacking you I am challenging some of the things you write and I have yet to see a response to some of those challenges.
    I don't care for your rude and aggressive posting style.
    and I don't particularly care for people who avoid issues arising from their own postings that they don't like answering nor those that think they might get an answer they don't want to hear.
    When I posted a thread about problems I have been having with a builder, you responded in a manner that took 100% the side of the builder, and gave me a good kicking. That pee'd me off. You claimed to have read it dispassionately. And yet you made assumptions, for example that the builder and I annoy each other. You made fatuous and ignorant statements, saying it was my fault for poor communications.
    No I didn't take the side of the builder. I said you were BOTH at fault for poor communications. It takes two to tango. I do agree I did suggest you were at fault running around after him correcting his "mistakes" yourself when he was not there. I still believe that is not the way to do it as all that would do is put his back up and not help you achieve what you want to achieve.
    When I asked you what I should do you did not answer.
    I apologise for that - I missed the fact that you had answered. Having just reread it and your reply I see that you have made laudable efforts to communicate which have not been responded too but please don't think I ignored that response. I just didn't see it.
    They still have not fixed the floor despite numerous phone calls and emails. And they still have not mended the window frame. So Mr. aggressive know all, what am I supposed to do? Is there a magic word? Pretty please? Is that it? I have noticed your responses to other people have been blunt to the point of rudeness.
    Yes there is - you are wasting your time with phone calls and emails. They can always be denied/lost/deleted by persons unknown/the person who may have taken a call of which we regretably have no record has since left the firm etc. You need a recorded (signed4) delivery letter giving them a finite time (no more than two weeks I would suggest) in which to positively address these problems or you will take it further. Don't say what or how you would take it further otherwise that could be construed as either a threat or you will alert them to your plans. Hope that helps.
    And you are a hypocrite. You are VERY quick to give others a thorough verbal kicking, but if someone seems (in your view) to insult you, you have a hissy fit. :mad::mad::mad:
    I am not going to dignify your ad hominem outburst with a reply except to say that you really should read what I have written again and whilst you are about it for heavens sake take a chill pill so that you can do so calmly.

    Cheers
    The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. - Einstein
  • jillytb
    jillytb Posts: 71 Forumite
    The responses mainly upon my revisit to my thread have been made with utter disbelief, disdain and many have tried to laugh off my absolute determination of brining this builder to justice.

    Either you have all revisited and posted on here for a simple laugh or out of boredom or perhaps you genuinely have a suspicion that there is absolute genuine truth that I, a woman, had more determination than any of you would expect to take this issue of the Howden's trader who made an agreement with me to buy my kitchen at "trade price" but did not actually fulfil his agreement.

    It interests me that only three women have posted on here briefly but the remainder are men who have mainly taken every opportunity to have cheap digs and react in an unprofessional and resentful manner towards me.

    Very few people seemingly go as far as I did, yet I am going further and I sincerely hope that what I am doing will make a great difference, I think it will.

    By the way, I never ever said it was a "landmark" case, i think it was Alan_M was one of the first to make reference to a "test case". That I know now it is not but it a case that will potentially make a change to certain trading policies should legislation be deemed to have been breached by the builder or Howden's.

    At this stage I and you don't know yet.....
  • keystone
    keystone Posts: 10,916 Forumite
    jillytb wrote: »
    The responses mainly upon my revisit to my thread have been made with utter disbelief, disdain and many have tried to laugh off my absolute determination of brining this builder to justice.
    Actually I genuinely admire that if he was deceitful. As and when you reveal the details then we'll find out.
    who made an agreement with me to buy my kitchen at "trade price" but did not actually fulfil his agreement.
    Sorry but a small clarification if you don't mind which might just actually finalise the discussion once and for all. I am quite certain that he would have bought it at trade price but the crux of the entire matter is did he agree to buy it a trade price and sell it to you at that self same price without markup? If so this the first time you have actually said that. Subsequently you have obtained a copy of another invoice (by whatever means) identical in every respect except the price which gives the lie to that promise. If that is the case the last "n" pages of this thread have been a complete waste of time and energy because they all revolve around that single fact. If that is the case thank you you have provided the necessary detail in respect of a part of the reasons you sued the builder and on that basis he was quite in the wrong.
    At this stage I and you don't know yet.....
    Indeed not. There remains a lot more to this than meets the eye.

    Hope you enjoyed your outing.

    Cheers
    The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. - Einstein
  • jillytb
    jillytb Posts: 71 Forumite
    Keystone, I took the builder to court because he did not fulfil his agreement to pass on the discount to me, he offered to buy it at "trade discount" on my behalf. IT was an oral agreement and I made the claim on that basis.

    The judge made an order for him to "repay" me "the difference" and also made an order in favour of my other claims.

    I hope this clarifies things.

    Yes I had a nice outing thank you:)
  • cddc
    cddc Posts: 1,164 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker
    Good for you!

    And thanks for finally confirming what some of us guessed all along.

    Even if I did get carried away with theories yesterday (and sidetracked whilst ranting on about Howdens and certain tradesmen), I was proved ,in essence anyway(if not in detail) , correct!

    Would be interested to know what the other three points you won on were also, but no hurry, post when you are ready to.
  • keystone
    keystone Posts: 10,916 Forumite
    Thank you Jilly.

    Cheers
    The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. - Einstein
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