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PasturesNew wrote: »

The problem isn't the money is it, it's the people.

I am watching prog 1 on catch up and I am glazing over. The voiceover saying poor housing casues poor prospects etc....winds me up...so second your post above.

milliemonster

All you hear constantly is that they're all bored and theres nothing to do blah blah blah, well I was constantly bored as a kid, I lived in the middle of nowhere and my parents had no money so we never had the opportunity to do anything, go anywhere but I still had aspirations about what I wanted to do with my life and didn't expect society to prop me up as an adult.

These kids will never amount to anything or do anything positive with their lives because they have this attitude that society owes them something because they are so hard done to, well society owes them jack !!!!!!. They won't do anything unless there is something in it for them, until they get out of this self perpetuating selfish cycle of angst against their lot in life, nothing and nobody can help them

ruggedtoast

milliemonster wrote: »

All you hear constantly is that they're all bored and theres nothing to do blah blah blah, well I was constantly bored as a kid, I lived in the middle of nowhere and my parents had no money so we never had the opportunity to do anything, go anywhere but I still had aspirations about what I wanted to do with my life and didn't expect society to prop me up as an adult.

These kids will never amount to anything or do anything positive with their lives because they have this attitude that society owes them something because they are so hard done to, well society owes them jack !!!!!!. They won't do anything unless there is something in it for them, until they get out of this self perpetuating selfish cycle of angst against their lot in life, nothing and nobody can help them

Unfortunately this is quite a common attitude amongst the working class. Its made worse because people who arent like that cant stand it and move away.

milliemonster

well I am working class I have to work to earn money to live so I class myself as working class (although I guess others would look at me and my income and put me in the middle classes now), I am from a working class background, my grandparents were miners and lived in council houses in deprived areas and I am proud of my heritage and have not tried to escape it, but I never had this attitude and no one in my family ever did.

My family always worked hard, cared for each other, strived for a better quality of life, respected other people and each other and believed in the future. So, no I don't believe this is the attitude of all working class

milliemonster

I just feel so sorry for the young children born into these families, they don't stand a chance

lostinrates

Bored? That, as my dad used to say, it the time you should be doing homework, or working.

The mother with six kids enititled to a five bed, I'm sorry, that mkes me cross. She would not be ''entitled'' to it in the private sector...if self sufficient.

lostinrates

milliemonster wrote: »

I just feel so sorry for the young children born into these families, they don't stand a chance

sure, but 2 would stand a better chance than five or six.

Blackpool_Saver

They are not working class they are an underclass.

It is so sad and seeing those little kids being shown that way of life and knowing they will end up just the same.:(

It's like when I was in the supermarket the other day and I heard a mother say, "do you want one of THEM or one of THEM?" it is self perpetuating.

ruggedtoast

milliemonster wrote: »

well I am working class, I am from a working class background, my grandparents were miners and lived in council houses in deprived areas and I am proud of my heritage and have not tried to escape it, but I never had this attitude and no one in my family ever did.

My family always worked hard, cared for each other, strived for a better quality of life, respected other people and each other and believed in the future. So, no I don't believe this is the attitude of all working class

Yes but you're talking about a pre-Thatcherite era when being working class still had some positive connotations attached to it - obviously these people dont even work so its an oxymoron, but their "communities" such as they are are usually working class in origin.

I'm not especially bothered by the terminology, I grew up on welfare raised by a single mother, although my mother would probably have considered herself middle class fallen on hard times.

I do know that being given a small handout for doing nothing is a poor way to live, and the government is doing people no favours by suspending people in a stasis of poverty.

geri1965_2

milliemonster wrote: »

My family always worked hard, cared for each other, strived for a better quality of life, respected other people and each other and believed in the future. So, no I don't believe this is the attitude of all working class

Quite right. I was brought up in a council house but my mum & dad worked hard, I got a job at 16 and have worked ever since. I've never been in trouble with the law and neither has anyone in my family. Most working class families are respectable.