Cockapoos??

lostinrates

usernameisvalid wrote: »

Avoid like the plague "breeders" who are advertising more then one litter a year and those that are advertising litters of more then one breed - THEY ARE PUPPY FARMERS and you buying from them supports their disgusting trade

Just as a caution: more than one litter a year doesn't necessarily mean puppy farmers. A very small handfull of breeders (IME they tend to be fairly high ranking judges too) are able to full time breed/judge. This often means multiple litters in a year: but they will be well thought out, planned litters, perhaps taking advantage of an oppertunity to breadthen genepool with an imported dog. I'd be more concerned with a breeder over using a !!!!!: i.e. mutipe litter s registered for each !!!!!: a harder thing to check for the novice/pet owner I suppose!).


The difficulty with establishing ''good'' breeders is perhaps th hardest choice for a breed puppy chooser: its not easy at all. Of course: the most important thing for a pet buyer of a pedigree is that the breed is representative of type/character (one chooses a breed for a reason) and is happy and healthy.

My personal opinion is that buying a pedigree (or ''designer'') cross breed, involves ground work to prevent unwitting support of poor breeders. Visiting shows (even if you do not intend to show, you meet people), joining the breed society and going to some events: people are helpful, thy ar strong advocates of their breed! If a breeder suggests you have landed on the wrong breed than listen to them, take their advice...much as I love..for example, Italian greyhounds, we offer the wrong home for them. I'd love one very, very much, but we have a busy, outdoorsy home with big boisterous dogs and lots of rough and tumble: so my want must go unsatisfied!


I know absolutely nothing about cockapoos, OP, but good luck finding one. I think the eye advice is really interesting. Research mght sound dull, but it will help confirm this is the right dog for you and make you a better owner!

Good for you for asking questions!

usernameisvalid

lostinrates wrote: »

Just as a caution: more than one litter a year doesn't necessarily mean puppy farmers. A very small handfull of breeders (IME they tend to be fairly high ranking judges too) are able to full time breed/judge. This often means multiple litters in a year: but they will be well thought out, planned litters, perhaps taking advantage of an oppertunity to breadthen genepool with an imported dog. I'd be more concerned with a breeder over using a !!!!!: i.e. mutipe litter s registered for each !!!!!: a harder thing to check for the novice/pet owner I suppose!).


The difficulty with establishing ''good'' breeders is perhaps th hardest choice for a breed puppy chooser: its not easy at all. Of course: the most important thing for a pet buyer of a pedigree is that the breed is representative of type/character (one chooses a breed for a reason) and is happy and healthy.

My personal opinion is that buying a pedigree (or ''designer'') cross breed, involves ground work to prevent unwitting support of poor breeders. Visiting shows (even if you do not intend to show, you meet people), joining the breed society and going to some events: people are helpful, thy ar strong advocates of their breed! If a breeder suggests you have landed on the wrong breed than listen to them, take their advice...much as I love..for example, Italian greyhounds, we offer the wrong home for them. I'd love one very, very much, but we have a busy, outdoorsy home with big boisterous dogs and lots of rough and tumble: so my want must go unsatisfied!


I know absolutely nothing about cockapoos, OP, but good luck finding one. I think the eye advice is really interesting. Research mght sound dull, but it will help confirm this is the right dog for you and make you a better owner!

Good for you for asking questions!

Sorry lostinrates, you are correct. I didnt really make myself clear.

I would avoid and class as farmers - "breeders" who are breeding from the same !!!!! more then once in a year.

Something else to look at as well, when asking to view the B1tch, give her a good look. Because there is no registration for these puppies a rogue breeder may well say its only one litter a year when in reality they are churning them out. Look at the condition if the B1tch, yes she should show signs of recently delivering, but an over bred b1tch will often have teats and tummy dragging along the ground, will be listless and not interested around the pups or humans

Frugalista

Just found this ..... :T

www.cockapoo.rescueme.org/uk

ETA - OK maybe not, seems to be US based.

usernameisvalid - I had not heard of them being originally bred as seeing/hearing dogs - where did you hear that? Just find it a little odd that they would select 2 breeds that have eye and ear problems themselves. Do you have a link?

suki1964

Frugalista

I also heard that cockerpoos came into being as a trial for the guide dogs for the blind, because they were meant to be allergy free, allowing those people who have an allergy to dogs hair to have a guide dog

Perhaps thats urban legend?

With the eyes, if dogs are being breed from proven breed lines which have been tested there would be no eye problems. Its the rogue and back yeard breeders that are keeping the genes in the gene pool

RacyRed

Frugalista wrote: »

Just found this ..... :T

www.cockapoo.rescueme.org/uk

ETA - OK maybe not, seems to be US based.

usernameisvalid - I had not heard of them being originally bred as seeing/hearing dogs - where did you hear that? Just find it a little odd that they would select 2 breeds that have eye and ear problems themselves. Do you have a link?

UK based page for Cockapoo rescue is HERE but no dogs available on it yet, worth bookmarking tho?

FC, that little 10 week old lab cross, Sheba, on dogsblog is the cutest little thing! Such a loving expression on her little face!

Frugalista

suki1964 wrote: »

I also heard that cockerpoos came into being as a trial for the guide dogs for the blind, because they were meant to be allergy free, allowing those people who have an allergy to dogs hair to have a guide dog. Perhaps thats urban legend?

I always thought that was Labradoodles - but I will stand corrected - I'm not really au fait with crossbreed production :D Thanks for that!

suki1964

Frugalista wrote: »

I always thought that was Labradoodles - but I will stand corrected - I'm not really au fait with crossbreed production :D Thanks for that!

Aye it started with them and moved onwards.

But as I say could be urban legend or I heard wrong ( really possible as Im dire with names - labrdoodle/cockerpoos - all the same to me)

Personally I think they are cute wee things to look at but you know what worries me, is A - they are totally unrecognised as a breed so there is no governing body and B - theres no idea of knowing what health problems they are storing up

For the sort of money being asked for them I would really want as near a guarantee as possible that the dog Im getting is fit and healthy

The other problem which worries me is temperament. Now I know cocker's and I know how wilful some strains are - some more so then others. But they are extremely intelligent dogs and because of that they need a awful lot of handling.

Poodles are supposed to be the most intelligent dog of them all.

A cross of the two could be nightmare, with the wrong lines being bred together and then the resulting pups ending up in inexperienced hands


Personally I wouldn't be taking the chance, but then I have said so many times, I support responsible reputable breeding. All I can do is give my experience and hope it helps someone else make a more informed choice

flybynight

i'm guessing it was labradoodles that were for guide dogs, as there is a minimum at shoulder height for guide dogs, and i dont think a cocker poodle crosss would be tall enough.

lowis

i recently met someone who has bred their shitzsu dog with some other small breed, and has charged £850 per pup - there were 6 pups in the litter. i am sure they turned a neat profit! oh, and this person didn't even vaccinate the pups before selling them, and sold them all on at 7 weeks old :eek:

these so-called backstreet 'designer' dog breeders made my blood boil! :mad:

usernameisvalid

Frugalista wrote: »

Just found this ..... :T

www.cockapoo.rescueme.org/uk

ETA - OK maybe not, seems to be US based.

usernameisvalid - I had not heard of them being originally bred as seeing/hearing dogs - where did you hear that? Just find it a little odd that they would select 2 breeds that have eye and ear problems themselves. Do you have a link?

I concur - I have as suki has said and got my doodles mixed up

Cockerpoos or cockerdoodles are a bred that originated from America. There is a breed club which is promoting responsible breeding and are working towards getting the breed recognised by the AKC. Usually when that happens the breed will then be accepted here by the KC and then hopefully potential owners will have a wider and easier to find choice of reputable breeders.

At the moment they are just seen as designer dogs in this country and with that comes ££££ signs in some unscrupulous breeders eyes. Hopefully we can help educate potential owners on what to look for in choosing a breeder and hope that the breed will be recognised by the KC sooner rather then later.

Crossbreeds do need to be bred, thats why we have the diversity of breeds we have today. Some fall out of favour and are no longer bred, new breeds come along. All I personally can hope for is that anyone hoping to get a puppy from wherever - makes an informed and educated purchase