CSA and confirmation from a manager

stressed_eric_4

they never asked me so why should i volunteer the information, plus i did not complete a claim form they phoned me up to tell me of the claim and did it all over the phone??

shell_542

stressed_eric wrote: »

they never asked me so why should i volunteer the information, plus i did not complete a claim form they phoned me up to tell me of the claim and did it all over the phone??

In that case Stressed Eric, you could well claim that they never once mentioned tax credits are ncluded. Did you ever have any forms sent out to you where it might have briefly mentioned what is included in NET INCOME because I would imagine if it came to a head they would fall back on that, like many companies do, tax credits themselvea. If its been written even once in one of their letters sent to you, it was up to the person receiving the post to notice it. Knowing what the CSA can be like (sorry Kelloggs lol) I wouldn't put it past them to suddenly this how ever long down the road and someone suddenly gets a bill for arrears which they cannot shake off.

I think I remember reading poaaibly on here, someone who has never had tax credits in cluded because they were never told to either.

I will stress, I don't agree with tax credits being included, just don't think its a good idea to give out what looks like incorrect advice on a support forum which could come back and bite many NRPs on the backside in an expensive way in the future. (Sorry OP)

kelloggs36

That's right Shell - they may well go back over the years and correct their mistake - and they have the right to do so which may put an NRP in an extremely difficult situation. If an NRPP works and they get WTC and they won't divulge, then the CSA can't use the info but they can ask te NRP - then it becomes a criminal offence if they refuse to provide info as it may impact the assessment.

shell_542

And just to clarify stressed eric my first reply was in response to your question asking if the CSA DO ask about your child tax credits you receive as a family. I was just saying just because your partner has them paid to her bank account doesn't stop them being both of yours.

Mine and my husband's tax credits are paid into my bank account but they are still both of ours. We were both assessed for the claim and they are based on both of our incomes.

In fact, my husband's wages are paid into MY bank account but do you (not you stressed, universal you) think the CSA would accept my husband has NO income just because the money is paid to my account? Lol

Dancing_Shoes

kelloggs36 wrote: »

That's right Shell - they may well go back over the years and correct their mistake - and they have the right to do so which may put an NRP in an extremely difficult situation. If an NRPP works and they get WTC and they won't divulge, then the CSA can't use the info but they can ask te NRP - then it becomes a criminal offence if they refuse to provide info as it may impact the assessment.

Does wtc count as income if it is for the nrpp?
So if an nrp doesn't tell the csa about a payrise (or pay decrease) and say for example they had the original assessment in 2004 then they had a payrise in 2005 but the csa didn't re-assess until 2006 do they backdate it to 2005? If they do does this work for a decrease the same as an increase?

shell_542

Dancing_Shoes wrote: »

Does wtc count as income if it is for the nrpp?
So if an nrp doesn't tell the csa about a payrise (or pay decrease) and say for example they had the original assessment in 2004 then they had a payrise in 2005 but the csa didn't re-assess until 2006 do they backdate it to 2005? If they do does this work for a decrease the same as an increase?

WTC is classed as income to the CSA if the NRP earns MORE than the NRPP.
Half of WTC is classed as income if the NRP and NRPP earnes the same.
No WTC is counted if the NRPP earns more than the NRP.

I'm not sure about the backdating assessments but I would assume they would backdate to include tax credits not divulged by an NRP if asked because the NRP would have been classed as witholding information to keep child support payments down.

stressed_eric_4

shell_542 wrote: »

In that case Stressed Eric, you could well claim that they never once mentioned tax credits are ncluded. Did you ever have any forms sent out to you where it might have briefly mentioned what is included in NET INCOME because I would imagine if it came to a head they would fall back on that, like many companies do, tax credits themselvea. If its been written even once in one of their letters sent to you, it was up to the person receiving the post to notice it. Knowing what the CSA can be like (sorry Kelloggs lol) I wouldn't put it past them to suddenly this how ever long down the road and someone suddenly gets a bill for arrears which they cannot shake off.

I can't truthfully remember now but i would argue i didn't, hence why it was done over the phone, also if they did include and backdate it i would appeal!!! also we get more ctc now than at the time they made the decision so i would be making sure it was that amoutn they included not the amount now!! I still pay for things for my daughter but if they want the extra out of ctc i would have to review this

shell_542

stressed_eric wrote: »

shell_542 wrote: »

In that case Stressed Eric, you could well claim that they never once mentioned tax credits are ncluded. Did you ever have any forms sent out to you where it might have briefly mentioned what is included in NET INCOME because I would imagine if it came to a head they would fall back on that, like many companies do, tax credits themselvea. If its been written even once in one of their letters sent to you, it was up to the person receiving the post to notice it. Knowing what the CSA can be like (sorry Kelloggs lol) I wouldn't put it past them to suddenly this how ever long down the road and someone suddenly gets a bill for arrears which they cannot shake off.

I can't truthfully remember now but i would argue i didn't, hence why it was done over the phone, also if they did include and backdate it i would appeal!!!



I would as well in your shoes. I would just be prepared for them to completely dismiss my protests or find a way around it



also we get more ctc now than at the time they made the decision so i would be making sure it was that amoutn they included not the amount now!! I still pay for things for my daughter but if they want the extra out of ctc i would have to review this



That would be understandable in my opinion. *sorry can't highlight and use colour/bold on my phone.

brians_daughter

ok, i can see all sides here. I am a PWC and a (recently ex) NRPP.

My son does not see his father, that is/was not my decision he let my son down 1 too many times and they also had a bit of a set too.

My son (who is only 10) has decided that his dad hurts him ie. he spent all day every Sunday at the living room wondow awaiting his arrival, his father rarely showed... he didnt answer my sons calls, or respond to texts but yet would turn up out of the blue on school nights expecting to take my son- bedtime on school nights is 8pm, the NRP would come at 7.30 and expect to take him 'for a few hours' knowing i wouldnt allow this, so further hurting my son. Luckily my son has a great father/son relationship with my recent ex, who brought him up for 9 years, so at least he has a father figure and sees my ex every week..for 'boys stuff'!

I get a (small) sum of maintenance payments via DEO from NRP and I actually send the TC element of the equation back to him via bank transfare. I do not want his other childrens money - after all, if he didnt have the other kids he wouldnt get the TC. He is actually under investigation (nothing to do with me), as is his employer for paying a proportion of the NRPs wage to the NRPP, they both work at the same place. So my maintenance may go up once this investigation is complete

I feel better for giving the TC back, i dont want his kids money - i simply want for my son what the NRP should be paying ie 15% of his salary minus the initial deductions for the kids he already has.

People call me silly for returning the money but he is money orientated - where as i am not, i simply want what is fair.

Dancing_Shoes

brians_daughter wrote: »

ok, i can see all sides here. I am a PWC and a (recently ex) NRPP.

My son does not see his father, that is/was not my decision he let my son down 1 too many times and they also had a bit of a set too.

My son (who is only 10) has decided that his dad hurts him ie. he spent all day every Sunday at the living room wondow awaiting his arrival, his father rarely showed... he didnt answer my sons calls, or respond to texts but yet would turn up out of the blue on school nights expecting to take my son- bedtime on school nights is 8pm, the NRP would come at 7.30 and expect to take him 'for a few hours' knowing i wouldnt allow this, so further hurting my son. Luckily my son has a great father/son relationship with my recent ex, who brought him up for 9 years, so at least he has a father figure and sees my ex every week..for 'boys stuff'!

I get a (small) sum of maintenance payments via DEO from NRP and I actually send the TC element of the equation back to him via bank transfare. I do not want his other childrens money - after all, if he didnt have the other kids he wouldnt get the TC. He is actually under investigation (nothing to do with me), as is his employer for paying a proportion of the NRPs wage to the NRPP, they both work at the same place. So my maintenance may go up once this investigation is complete

I feel better for giving the TC back, i dont want his kids money - i simply want for my son what the NRP should be paying ie 15% of his salary minus the initial deductions for the kids he already has.

People call me silly for returning the money but he is money orientated - where as i am not, i simply want what is fair.

I think it is a very admirable thing you have done:T, but I wouldn't think any less of you if you hadn't been giving it back because of your ex's behaviour:mad:
I hope your son realises what a fantastic mum he has!!!