CSA and confirmation from a manager

chriszzz

Sou,

Your story about your ex and your girls is a very sad situation. I really can not get my head around nrps who don't want to pay or have little or no contact.

What gives them the right to walk out or away from both responsibilities?

I will be honest, although I think every pwc has a right to maintenance to support their children, I dont believe its the one thing that makes these situations a happy one, Its the contact the children and nrp have that i feel is the most important factor in raising healthy young children.

I too have two children whose father refused to have contact or pay towards there up-keep, he went onto marry and father 5 more children.

If I wanted any justice, it wouldnt be for the money, it would be for failing his 1st children who adored and needed him and were left with an empty space. The money doesnt come into it for me s-d the money, it means nothing but that just my opinion and dont expect anyone to share or even like it.

Your girls will one day either decide not to bother or end up having a really good relationship. I hope that they do have a good relationship.

Soubrette

Thanks chriszzz - I can't get my head round it either, he was a devoted dad when we were together.

One child has little relationship with him (16 and different issues) but the youngest one still thinks he is great.

And who am I to say that he's not great in some way, he must have something for her to want to see him and do things with him.

I want them to have a good relationship with him because I think that's best for them

I'm ashamed to say that I don't give a stuff about him - but I've said it before - if he needed a kidney then I would offer it even though I don't think much of him - for the sake of my children (I know it sounds melodramatic but I honestly do believe I would offer:o ).

Sou

kelloggs36

reallyreally wrote: »

After being on this site reading for ages and never actually posting, I thought I would reply with what I have been told from a senior member of CSA

Alot of ppl are disputing about CTC which I totally agree however, if you do not give your partners details which by law you do not have to as you are the NRP not your partner, they cannot access any information on your partner as they do not have the permission to do so

That is why the CSA ALWAYS ask the NRP if they are receiving TC because they cannot find out themselves if you have a joint claim as it is against the law for them to do so, and that is the only way that they can find out

I do not agree that it should be included as if you have 4 children living with you at your new home and you only have to pay CSA for 2, then ALL of your CTC is taken into account and not what you would get for 2, therefore it is totally absurd and disgusting, families are being penalised for having more step children and that is shocking

I know that some of the CSA people will come on here and say they do have access etc etc but they will say that because they wont want NRP to know, however it is a VERY vindictive and UNFAIR way of doing it

I see so many on this forum struggle with having to pay out so much money because of the CTC, and CSA need to have no information on your partner whatsoever, so there is no need to tell them, they have no rights to know nor do they need to know, they only need your details, you can refuse to give them any information regarding your partner and they cannot do a thing about it

If the CTC was fair then CSA should only take the amount they are awarded for 2 children not the whole amount given if there are more, I can see why so many parents struggle with this

I hate the new system I hate all of it and I am so glad that I am out of it now, but I will tell you what I know for definite and I wont explain how I know I just do

All CSA workers will tell you they will find out but not if they dont have your partners details and they can only get all of that from yourself

Wait for the rant to start am sure it will from the CSA ppl that give there so called advice on here!! Been there done that had enough of doing it, its not fair!

They have access to you only, hence why they are able to go the DEO because they know what you are earning etc, otehr than that nothing at all, they think they are pwoerful they are not infact it is a useless shocking system that will never ever work

they have access to find out if CTC is in payment because they can access the NRP records - if it is a joint claim then they will be able to see the details. What they cannot do is use the info!!!

krystal8

hi chriszzz,
I totally agree with you, it takes more than just money to help a child grow up as a healthy balanced individual. its sad when NRPs walk away and not have contact with thir children- but kids being kids will more than likely remember good times spent with their parents.
In a way i do think that CSA advocates bitterness between NRP and PWC and of corse these inocent children do pick up oin this!

reallyreally

kelloggs36 wrote: »

they have access to find out if CTC is in payment because they can access the NRP records - if it is a joint claim then they will be able to see the details. What they cannot do is use the info!!!

They can only access the NRP info, they are breaking the law if they use or look at any information relating to the NRP partner which incs CTC as this is usually 99% paid to the mother, which you have explained anyway because they are not allowed to use the info which is pretty much the same as why they ask the NRP on the phone what CTC they get if any and can only go on what figure he says rather than actually seeing proof!! Either way they are VERY vindictive of how they do it and all NRP's are within rights to withold ALL information regarding there partners. Which is what I was stating in my first post because it is not fair that NRP feel as though they have to give these details. Therefore if they have a joint CTC they cannot take that into income as they are not allowed to use the information unless given permission to do as they will be yet again breaking the law

Soubrette

reallyreally wrote: »

You have clearly quoted that you have no problem havin your CTC taken into account I asked whether you would be so happy if it had a Disability element in it, Child Benefit is not CTC

I'm still waiting for an apology here :mad::cool::rotfl:

Sou

reallyreally

Soubrette wrote: »

I'm still waiting for an apology here :mad::cool::rotfl:

Sou

I have no problem apologising to you but I dont know what for but to keep the boards running smoothly please accept my apologies for whatever it is that has made you angry!!!

Soubrette

krystal8 wrote: »

hi chriszzz,
I totally agree with you, it takes more than just money to help a child grow up as a healthy balanced individual. its sad when NRPs walk away and not have contact with thir children- but kids being kids will more than likely remember good times spent with their parents.
In a way i do think that CSA advocates bitterness between NRP and PWC and of corse these inocent children do pick up oin this!

I cannot believe that you've thanked someone for misrepresenting my post and my opinion because it did not gel with reallyreally's preconceived ideas on how a PWC would think.

If I were an NRP I would be ashamed to have people like you so say arguing my side of the argument. You denigrate all those honest NRPs in difficult situation trying to be as fair as they can.

Sou

Soubrette

reallyreally wrote: »

I have no problem apologising to you but I dont know what for but to keep the boards running smoothly please accept my apologies for whatever it is that has made you angry!!!

lol - I guess that's the best I could accept from someone like you.

Apologies accepted.

I am now placing you and krysal8 on ignore - your hatred of the PWC and your blind support of the NRP is unreasoned and cannot ever be changed so all it serves is to add to the bad feeling on the board and I don't wish to be part of that.

Sou

reallyreally

Well 3 pages long before someone got a rant on, not bad

For those reading this topic was not to cause rant or to P ppl off it was to let all you NRPs know that you dont have to supply info regarding your partner

I have no disrepect to PWC or NRPs but I have stated MY views on CSa which I am MORE than entitled to do, obviously Sou does not like this and as a person she is entitled to her own opinion, just like people are of her posts that she leaves

I do not agree with how some PWC work not do I agree withhow some NRPs work but again MY OPINION

I do hope however that this topic has helped some NRPs know what they can tell when on the phone to the happy cheerful helpful ppl they call the CSA!!!!!! lol