Royal Mail national strike looms for Christmas

custardy

its quite easy,i look at the packet im delivering
does it have RM postage on it? no
does it have a competitors logo on it? yes
wallah DSA packets
eg
http://www.citipost.com/services_dsa_unsortedpackets.html

http://www.btbmf.co.uk/mailing_houses_fulfilment_pages/international_mailing/downstream_access_uk_postage.htm

the service they outline here is royal mail tracked

Other benefits of DSA

It's not just about cheaper UK postage. DownStream Access also provides:
Guaranteed 2 day delivery time (that’s faster than Royal Mail Mailsort 2!).
Flexible pick up times.
Each bag is sorted and tracked (not caged) so there is no risk of missrouting due to poor cage sortation.
Proof of Delivery (POD) is available online.
Excellent account management.
Significant cost savings - save up to 10%! (sometimes it can even compete against Mailsort 3!).

worst was when TNT got the contract for 2nd class amazon packets from RM
these were just put through RM under DSA so losing the contract didnt change the packets i delivered

Out,_Vile_Jelly

bendix wrote: »

So use private mail services. RM doesn't have a monopoly anymore. It aint rocket science.

God, is it just me who isn't still living in 1979?

I need receipts in order to process expense claims (originals required so our regular audits can check we are spending your taxdollars wisely). The research students who regularly send me these spend their days doing, well not rocket science as such, but Very Important Engineering Stuff and are often based at remote nuclear processing sites and power plants. Sorting out private mail collection sounds like an unproductive use of their (taxpayer funded) time to me.

Far from living in 1979, I work for people who are constantly pushing back technological barriers with their research- it's my job to allow them to concentrate on that by taking care of the background admin stuff. And next day delivery of regular items for no more effort than dropping envelopes into a franking tray is an important part of that.

Really2

custardy wrote: »

its quite easy,i look at the packet im delivering
does it have RM postage on it? no
does it have a competitors logo on it? yes
wallah DSA packets

worst was when TNT got the contract for 2nd class amazon packets from RM
these were just put through RM under DSA so losing the contract didnt change the packets i delivered

What about all he other couriers, business post, city-link, DHL etc etc etc.

Are there less people at RM know than where post was 2 post deliveries a day and one before 9AM and one before 12AM?
Not a wind up a true question which I do not know the answer to.

Best leave it there I think for me the more you go on like this the more I think
it is time for change and allowing RM to lose monopoly status.

torontoboy45

bendix wrote: »

Precisely. The postal workers and their union have a laughably overstated sense of their importance. Going out on strike at Christmas? Who will really care? Seriously, these throwbacks seem to think they're still living in the 1970s when such strikes had an impact.

Today, they are nothing.

some of you on here come across as a right little bunch of daily mail readers with a private:good, public:bad, mentality.

I don't hold the full facts about this dispute (and neither do you) but it's clear that something is seriously wrong at RM.

it always takes 2 to make an argument, so why have you not called into question RM's part in this? judging by earlier posts RM doesn't come out of this looking too clever; it's almost as if they want a dispute.

it really is a black and white world for some people.

keep reading the d.mail; if only to reinforce your own prejudices.

bendix

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I need receipts in order to process expense claims (originals required so our regular audits can check we are spending your taxdollars wisely). The research students who regularly send me these spend their days doing, well not rocket science as such, but Very Important Engineering Stuff and are often based at remote nuclear processing sites and power plants. Sorting out private mail collection sounds like an unproductive use of their (taxpayer funded) time to me.

.

So let me see if I understand the massive impact a postal strike has on your job.

Ummmm. . . expense claims are a couple of days late.

Is that it? I agree, it's pretty mission critical. I feel for you.

custardy

Really2 wrote: »

What about all he other couriers, business post, city-link, DHL etc etc etc.

Are there less people at RM know than where post was 2 post deliveries a day and one before 9AM and one before 12AM?
Not a wind up a true question which I do not know the answer to.

Best leave it there I think for me the more you go on like this the more I think
it is time for change and allowing RM to lose monopoly status.

30,000 less roughly

bendix

torontoboy45 wrote: »

some of you on here come across as a right little bunch of daily mail readers with a private:good, public:bad, mentality.

I don't hold the full facts about this dispute (and neither do you) but it's clear that something is seriously wrong at RM.

it always takes 2 to make an argument, so why have you not called into question RM's part in this? judging by earlier posts RM doesn't come out of this looking too clever; it's almost as if they want a dispute.

it really is a black and white world for some people.

keep reading the d.mail; if only to reinforce your own prejudices.

I only read the FT and The Economist. I lost interest in Cheryl Cole's fashion tips years ago.

What is the Royal Mail's side in all this? I dunno. It seems like an archaic inefficient organisation providing crap service, performed by underachieving but self-righteous unionised staff. An organisation, in addition, which has failed to keep up with the new world in which it operates and whose raison d'etre seems to be declining every year that passes.

A classic public sector organisation in other words.

You don't expect me to defend it, do you?

For the record, I fully support the strike because it will serve two key purposes. It will kill the Royal Mail finally and free up the delivery industry to real competitive forces, and the workers themselves will - foolishly - strike themselves out of a job.

It seems a good result all round to me. Bring it on.

bendix

custardy wrote: »

30,000 less roughly

Yeah? Really? Again, did anyone notice?

custardy

bendix wrote: »

Yeah? Really? Again, did anyone notice?

well i dont know,according to many the service was very good then?
if you think you will get a bite from me on these little snips then you wont.
RM have been cutting staff year on year but of course nothing changes in RM
jobs have changed,duties etc
but of course nothing changes does it?
if people think a fully privatised mail service will work thats fine.
if its comes then fine (im no RM lifer so no big panic from me)
however given the amount of lip trembleing from a stamp prrice rise.what do you think will happen in a private market?
remember the privatized utilities that were going to cut our bills through market forces?

Wookster

It certainly seems that the Royal Mail staff will receive a lesson in free market economics: if you provide a poor service long enough, customers will desert you and you, leaving you with harder to fulfil business that no one else wants.

The striking workers need to be sacked and replaced with people ready to modernise and work as necessary.