Royal Mail national strike looms for Christmas

custardy

Pete111 wrote: »

PS Custardy: I agree that Management at the PO need to take a big part of the responsibility for the parlous state of affairs - not trying to dispute that!

the voice of reason
of course there are faults on the 'workers' side
a lot of entrenched mindsets however for those of us 'happy' enough to rock up and do our job.
the whole managerial mindset needs an overhaul.
it doesnt matter how good you are at your job or how crap the guy beside you is. its a one size fits all attitude that just doesnt work
to be told almost daily how easy your job is,how quiet it is,how early you will be finished is not motivating.
i used to be someone who would go the extra mile,swap/work days off as the business needed
the only plus for me is the decline in morale means it pushes me to get my !!! in gear and get on with getting back to uni

new_home_owner_3

Cleaver wrote: »

To be fair the idea of turning up to an office at 9am and 'working hard' until 5pm has dissapeared for a lot of workers in this day and age.

I have a set of board objectives from my line manager. I meet with her every 6 weeks or so in the London office to formally go through these, but as long as my team and I are achiving what needs to be done I know she doesn't really mind when and how I get my work done.

I'm spend my time as a split between home, the office, visiting clients and partners and various meetings in our midlands and London offices. Some days can be quite intense with work until the wee hours if something urgent comes, whereas others can be quite relaxed. If I chose to not work Friday afternoon but do a few hours on Sunday then that's fine as long as I'm contactable and available to my team and my managers.

It tends to be the more junior positions where you have a manager observing what you're doing between the hours of 9-5, so maybe this is where you're getting your terms of reference from?

i bet a postman would love to go and post a few letters on a sunday afternoon, its great then that people who float into and out of work when they like can make comments like sack people who have to clock in at 4am.

Basically i dont know how people like yourselves who can sit and post on here whilst working can make any comments on people who have to go out there and actually work for their money.

But then again i suppose we all have different ideas of what work is, im sure you would change your opinions if you was the one carrying 16 kg of post instead of behind your keyboard tapping away, whilst you are supposed to be working.

As for you having time pete why dont you go and give your team a hand, maybe if you do you might be able to get rid of one of them and save the company a few quid, you knoiw like the mucking in you managers do.:rotfl:

Pete111

new_home_owner wrote: »

i bet a postman would love to go and post a few letters on a sunday afternoon, its great then that people who float into and out of work when they like can make comments like sack people who have to clock in at 4am.

Basically i dont know how people like yourselves who can sit and post on here whilst working can make any comments on people who have to go out there and actually work for their money.

But then again i suppose we all have different ideas of what work is, im sure you would change your opinions if you was the one carrying 16 kg of post instead of behind your keyboard tapping away, whilst you are supposed to be working.

As for you having time pete why dont you go and give your team a hand, maybe if you do you might be able to get rid of one of them and save the company a few quid, you knoiw like the mucking in you managers do.:rotfl:

Outrageous!!!

(I'm a Director actually)


Amazing how 'tapping away at a little keyboard' means we earn more than walking about the town with a hefty bag isnt it...what is the world coming to!? :rolleyes:

Disclaimer..I value the work posties do (hey, I like getting mail too!) but that does not mean it should be automatically classed as a skilled occupation.

new_home_owner_3

Pete111 wrote: »

Outrageous!!!

(I'm a Director actually)


Amazing how 'tapping away at a little keyboard' means we earn more than walking about the town with a hefty bag isnt it...what is the world coming to!? :rolleyes:

Disclaimer..I value the work posties do (hey, I like getting mail too!) but that does not mean it should be automatically classed as a skilled occupation.

Oh so you obviously work for family? why dont you go and get a job for yourself??:rolleyes:

Is it daddies firm??

Makes me laugh you can just tell by what people post, i could imagine it now your like rodney when he married cassandra, working at the print factory lol,

bendix

torontoboy45 wrote: »

bendix wrote: »

I only read the FT and The Economist. I lost interest in Cheryl Cole's fashion tips years ago.

What is the Royal Mail's side in all this? I dunno. It seems like an archaic inefficient organisation providing crap service, performed by underachieving but self-righteous unionised staff. An organisation, in addition, which has failed to keep up with the new world in which it operates and whose raison d'etre seems to be declining every year that passes.

A classic public sector organisation in other words.

You don't expect me to defend it, do you?

For the record, I fully support the strike because it will serve two key purposes. It will kill the Royal Mail finally and free up the delivery industry to real competitive forces, and the workers themselves will - foolishly - strike themselves out of a job.

It seems a good result all round to me. Bring it on.[/QUOT

'a classic public sector organisation'; my wife works for one of these. it's called a county council; she's a teacher; assuming you didn't attend private school, you might like to thank her kind for your excellent spelling and grammar.

No. No private school for me. I'm from the wrong side of the tracks and went to the local comprehensive school, although I did get offered a scholarship to some local private school. My dad got the letter in the post one morning and asked if I'd be interested. I said no chance. I was a rebel then, you see, and had childish pinkish tendencies. I suspect my real reluctance was more to do with reading Tom Brown's Schooldays.

I can't remember much about the wonderful teachers at my comprehensive, except for the history teacher who doubled as the sports guy and who took great delight in showering naked with the boys, and a completely uninterested English teacher who always smelt of alcohol.

I'm sure your missus is a wonderful teacher, and that future generations of internet scribblers will give her due credit. But in working class Great Yarmouth in the late 1970s, none of them deserve anything but complete contempt.

Cleaver

new_home_owner wrote: »

i bet a postman would love to go and post a few letters on a sunday afternoon, its great then that people who float into and out of work when they like can make comments like sack people who have to clock in at 4am.

I don't 'float in and out of work'. I go wherever I need to be to do my job.

new_home_owner wrote: »

Basically i dont know how people like yourselves who can sit and post on here whilst working can make any comments on people who have to go out there and actually work for their money.

I think I explained how that works in my originally post.

new_home_owner wrote: »

But then again i suppose we all have different ideas of what work is, im sure you would change your opinions if you was the one carrying 16 kg of post instead of behind your keyboard tapping away, whilst you are supposed to be working.

I think pretty much everyone in 'office jobs' will have encountered more manual work at some point. From the ages of 16 until 22 I worked in factories, restaurants, builders yards and a couple of other places doing very long hours for quite a low wage. This helped pay for uni. The jobs I did were really, really hard work and I respect postmen for what they do. But wandering round delivering mail isn't really a skilled job is it? Most abled bodied people could do it, hence the low pay. I find what I do now more mentally challenging and need to be skilled to do what I do as I've spent a good few years learning and developing to get to my current role. Working in a builders yard as a labourer was hard, but I got to grips with in pretty quick, hence why it's low paid work.

I think you're falling in to the trap of thinking that harder your work is in terms of physcial effort then the more valuable it is and the more rewarding of higher pay you are, which isn't really the case.

Pete111

new_home_owner wrote: »

Oh so you obviously work for family? why dont you go and get a job for yourself??:rolleyes:

Is it daddies firm??

Daddies firm is doing very well....

.....But I don't work there chummy. Sorry wrong tree to Bark up - I made may own way up the career ladder.

Am the HR Director for the UK arm of a large multinational and enjoying it very much thanks. How is life treating you? Well I trust?

PS love your Edit! - the notion is great but you could not be more wrong - better reajust the radar I'm afraid.

new_home_owner_3

Pete111 wrote: »

Daddies firm is doing very well....

.....But I don't work there chummy. Sorry wrong tree to Bark up - I made may own way up the career ladder.

Am the HR Director for the UK arm of a large multinational and enjoying it very much thanks. How is life treating you? Well I trust?

I knew it daddies silver spoon brigade, its no god lying, just face facts

heres is this what you do lol :rotfl:daddys even got you a jacket :rotfl::T

bendix

Yesterday I suggested the RM was increasingly irrelevant by citing my only inconvenience in the strikes so far has been to receive my copy of The Economist on Saturdays instead of the usual Friday.

It was a bit tongue-in-cheek, I admit.

But, rather strangely, I got up this morning to see my shiny new magazine delivered already. I was up at 5.30, so it must have been delivered early.

Good old Royal Mail I thought. My posts yesterday have been proven wrong.

But then I looked closely. Included with the magazine was a note saying that in order to ensure subscriptions arrive on time, the magazines were no longer being despatched by RM, and they were using a private service instead.

Ho hum . . . . .

bendix

new_home_owner wrote: »

I knew it daddies silver spoon brigade, its no god lying, just face facts

heres is this what you do lol :rotfl:daddys even got you a jacket :rotfl::T

Seriously, newhomeowner, you don't do yourself any favours around here. If you're going to be abusive, at least do it with good spelling, decent grammar, wit and a certain style.