How exactly does the jobcentre 'better off' calculation work??

Metranil_Vavin

I see people are still feeding the troll.

I wouldn't bother taking offence at anything it says as it is just constantly on a wind up.

Just ignore it and it'll go away

mrcow

Metranil_Vavin wrote: »

I see people are still feeding the troll.

I wouldn't bother taking offence at anything it says as it is just constantly on a wind up.

Just ignore it and it'll go away

Point taken

Scousebird_2

I have to look at this from two angles. My SIs has just had a baby boy and she is 17. I am 22 and have worked since I was 14 (part time 3 days after school) and then straight to work as soon as I could get out of school-had the leaving ceremony on the Wednesday and started work for a major high street store on the Saturday whilst going to college 5 days a week and working for two. Taking home pay when there was no EMA or support to buy materials for studying 4 A Levels, and having to travel 30miles to college each way everyday was bloomin hard-and paying rent in my own 'bedsit' each week from my wages was near on impossible. I lived off £10 a week for food and had to buy smartprice. I couldn't access any benefits because I worked 16hours a week and studied full time. And because I couldn't live at home due to neglect I had to fend for myself. I was too old for social services intervention and too young for a council house! So I got on with it, got 11 A-C's in my GCSEs, 2 A Levels and then went straight into full time work after college, and I have worked full time ever since. I have been made redundant in one of my job and moved 60 miles away froim my hometown to find work because there were simply no full time work for under 21's in my area, I realised that and did what I needed to do to survive. Then met my wonderful fiance. It is only now that I am able to have any kind of quality of life. I put living on credit cards at one point to survive rather than take from a system that is designed to support people who genuinely can't work. Morally, for me to take the michael out of thie very system that is there to HELP not be MILKED is wrong and therefore I got off my !!! and got some pride from paying my NI and paying into the system to help others in need-not people like you who question whether you would be BETTER OFF or not.
Get a bloody job!

I lived off £80 a week basic-out of that I had to pay my utilities (which I could never afford to use and therefore used a good duvet and tea to keep warm) and my bus travel which was £15 a week, then rent on top-it was for the grace of god I didn't have council tax to pay as I was underage-but at 18 I sure as hell got hit with a bill and therefore I went full time instead of going down my local jobby and simply signing a bit of paper to have it paid-I had some bloody pride!

In contrast. My sister sufferred the same neglect as me-and yes, through fault of her own she got pregnant. It was an accident and she decided that abortion was an unforgivable action and proceeded with the pregnancy and has had a little boy recently. She now ends up with MORE than me a month and I work in a very respectable job. But I don't earn mega bucks like some of my colleagues because I have gone into a new career and I am being trained so I am at the bottom of the payscale. The harder I try and study-the quicker I will earn more. However, I am not bad off. I pay my taxes and I do ok. But in contrast-look at the difference here-

My Salary per month after tax £965-other income....zero.
I pay council tax (split with my partner)-my share=£50
Rent-£300
Travel to work-£66per month
Bills and other commitments come from the remainder-but overall I get £960 a month to live off with no benefits

My Sister....monthly gets

£495 housing benefit
£90 council tax benefit
£87 child benefit
£278 tax credits
£219income support

Plus free prescriptions and services

Thats £1169 a month

She knows she gets more than me and she isn't proud of it. Yes she's proud to have a son but it's damn hard work doing that and she won't be on benefits forever. Unlike you who will be until the system kicks your lazy !!! off it!

She is going to go to work as soon as her son is in nursery because she wants to set a good example. We grew up with parents on benefits who didn't work-and we have both gone in separate directions so no-one can ever say it's how you are brought up.

It's all about choices.

So my message to you Mr OP is

GET A FLAMING LIFE, get off your !!! and go find a job, upgrade from a bedsit to a nice house/flat, let your benefits go back into the system to help the disabled, needy and elderly so they don't have to use their hard earned life savings to life at 70-and have some bloody pride. The time you spend comtemplating whether or not you will be better off, should be, and is more productively spent.........

HERE-http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/Internet/setLocale.do?country=GB&language=en&page=/initialise.do

Good bloody luck because with your attitude towards employment, if you had it in my office, I wouldn't employ you!

worrieddan_2

I deducted travel costs and other work essentials from the £96.
I can not cycle to work because it's 70 minutes away (on bus/foot) I would have to get a taxi home some evenings due to late finish.

It would work out £8 MAXIMUM for going to a job that would make me unhappy.

I have asked for an increase in pay/hours and am awaiting a call back from the company.If I get around 30 hours I will take the position,even then it will be a very very poor wage for what the job is but hey ho it will keep my little tax paying friends happy eh :rolleyes:

donnajunkie

shooter wrote: »

Try being a 39yr old disabled full time student who is having to look for full time work ontop just to pay the bills and support my daughter As yet not cliaming any disability benefits.

if you are a student and not claiming benefits and still looking for work how do you pay your bills etc?
ps how do you expect to hold down a fulltime job while being a fulltime student?

worrieddan_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

if you are a student and not claiming benefits and still looking for work how do you pay your bills etc?
ps how do you expect to hold down a fulltime job while being a fulltime student?

Very good point.Try knocking the studying on the head and finding a JOB? instead of insulting others for being in a very poor job market.Just covering up your own circumstance's by attacking others I think

Fridge3

shooter wrote: »

Fridge3 wrote: »

You are both talking about a job you can't or won't do - same thing really. There isn't a job I won't do! There are lots of jobs out there that lots of people can't do! Thats the reality of life i the real world!!!!


AKA - waiting for the claim to go through. WRONG!!! Had forms for nearly 3 years but don't want to claim unless I cannot find a job!!!!![/QUOTE]

EXCUSE ME!!!

I have spent most of my adult life as a carer saving the NHS and the Government many thousands of pounds. I cared for my husband for 15yrs right up until he died at home in 2006.

I have fibromyalgia and Osteo arthrytis and would take any job that an employer would offer me but No one wants to employ someone who may not be fit enough to do the job every day. I live with constant excruciating pain but am trying to better myself by returning to study even at my age. I do not want to live on benefits for the rest of my life but Actually want to work.

Since my husband died I have only claimed what I was entitled to and the only benefits I have been on would be paid to anyone in my situation whether they were working or not.

I have applied to all the supermarkets within a 10 mile radius of my home and am willing to work nights and study days for the next few years if thats the only work I can get. But even some of them want a 5 year traceable work history!!!

So before you make sweeping coments read some of my previous posts!!!!!

In the real world, all those people that can't or won't work are in the same position when it comes to claiming benefits. There isn't any criteria on the claims form that excludes payment based on morality.

That you decide not to claim entitlement for 3 years and take on the role
of carer for 15 years does not place you in a better position than someone else who claims maximum entitlement.

After 3 years of looking for a job, what makes you think prospective employers will consider you any more favourably for taking such a moral position? Or the Govt for "saving" them thousands - do you think they really care - NO it's more money in the coffers for them to claim as expenses.

If you really want a job, start applying to local councils or govt bodies and tick the DDA box. You'll get automatic interviews for meeting criteria and when they realise they have a DDA applicant they will be extra careful to give benefit of doubt on any subjective matters.

mberry77

yes it aint worth your while. look for a better job then. if not then you just have to accept it and work for min wage. its crap but we all got to do it. you have no devine right to have a good job if you havent earnt it or not good enough for it.

rememeber you are treding on fine water as you cant be seen to turning down work as you will have your benefits stopped, then you will be begging for that min wage job!

shooter

Angel89 wrote: »

shooter wrote: »

And so what exactly......?? :rolleyes:


No-one forced you to do ANY of that at all. You're right no one forsed me to di it I did it out of Love for my Husband!!!! Also because We Couldn't afford the cost of outside carers!!

It was 100% your choice whether or whether not to put in a claim for a benefit and then see if the doctors decided in your favour or not.

What exactly are you expecting to happen for you wasting your evening typing all that stuff on a random anonymous internet forum to a load of random people to read from behind their screens?? :rolleyes:



If you wanted to save the nhs loads of money that was your choice, welldone, your a good citizen, yay... :T

You wont get any sort of reward or appreciation for it though in the real world,
you will just have wasted years of your life suffering all because you wanted to try making a moral standpoint,
not realising the in this modern world no-one really cares about that kinda stuff anymore.



The government dont give a single toss about it, and even if they knew they wouldnt really care about it anyways tbh.
They wont treat you any better, use the money you may have saved for anything good except maybe to delay inlfation for a few seconds while they print out some more money to keep the nhs going,
and the country and society wont be any better of at all.


SO it was ust a very foolish pointless thing for you to do. lol Personally I wouldn't want to bea member of your family who needs care cause you would obviously see it as a pointless waste of time!! Nothing to LOL at really is there.

Jomo

Angel is the undeserving type who receives benefits (think there was a thread on DT about this).