Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

StevieJ

kennyboy66 wrote: »

The other interesting thing is that fiscal policy was tight because of sharp tax increases and just restraint in public spending. Its a bit of a myth that Thatcher cut public spending.

How could she with the size of that dole queue:eek: then again she had all that oil revenue to squander.

Kenny4315

Cleaver wrote: »

A typical ward will look like this:

1 x Band 7 Manager: £30k - £39k plus shift allowance.
4 x Band 6 Senior Nurses: £25k - £33.5k plus shift allowance.
9 x Band 5 General Nurses: £21k - £26k plus shift allowance.

The one hell of a super ward ... what about the rest of the nurses who make it up, you've only listed the senior & qualified nursing staff, what about the rest, who allow the ward to function.

Old_Slaphead

Kenny4315 wrote: »

The one hell of a super ward ... what about the rest of the nurses who make it up, you've only listed the senior & qualified nursing staff, what about the rest, who allow the ward to function.

What's the likely makeup then ?

Out,_Vile_Jelly

moggylover wrote: »

I would agree to some extent, but there are people who go into nursing to NURSE, not to be a manager! Personally I would see dedication to hands on nursing rather than paper-pushing to be something to applaud not criticise with comments regarding competence or ambition.

I thought this as I was reading the (very interesting) details of salary scales and progression possibilities. I think it's wrong to assume that if you're not aiming for the matron/ward manager posts then you lack ambition (and by association are perhaps lazy or less able). Nursing is a vocational profession; people enter it for reasons other than money and power. A parish midwife of 20 years experience may well be worth as much as a 29 year old ward manager- they have just chosen to focus on one area of care and are not interested in people management.

I work in Higher Education, where salary scales are vey rigidly graded, and it is the job that is assessed rather than the person doing it. Although I can see the rationale behind this, the quality of experience becomes devalued. An administrator who's been on campus for 25 years and knows all the security guards, all the receptionists, all the couriers, all the useful ways to get quick answers, can remember who used to do what and where they are now etc etc is a valuable resource.

I could have gone for my line manager's job recently- more money and a bigger office, but the prospect filled me with horror. Utterly thankless job. I don't think that means I'm not ambitious- my aspirations simply lie in a less obvious area than having the word "manager" in my job title.

Kenny4315

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

What's the likely makeup then ?

I'll ask 'er indoors she was a staff nurse, but now works the odd bank shift mainly on sundays to keep her rcn membership. As you can gauge from the article response from several nurses they appear to suggest the figure to be somewhat inaccurate compared to the reality. Either that or er' indoors is a lying mare.

The_White_Horse

StevieJ wrote: »

Tell you what, if you are ever in hospital for an operation we will get the doctor with two months experience to do it, I will have the one with twenty years experience

would you rather have a 65 year old doctor with 40 years of experience perform delicate surgery on you or a 48 year old doctor with 23 years of experience?

StevieJ

The_White_Horse wrote: »

would you rather have a 65 year old doctor with 40 years of experience perform delicate surgery on you or a 48 year old doctor with 23 years of experience?

I will take the 65 year old (as long as he has had his/her eyes lazered) you take the one with two months experience.

Kenny4315

This might be more use :

http://www.rcn.org.uk/support/pay_and_conditions/pay_rates_2009_-_2010

Old_Slaphead

Kenny4315 wrote: »

This might be more use :

http://www.rcn.org.uk/support/pay_and_conditions/pay_rates_2009_-_2010

I've already submitted that link as evidence in posting #163, m'lud.

Old_Slaphead

StevieJ wrote: »

I will take the 65 year old (as long as he has had his/her eyes lazered) you take the one with two months experience.

Definitely wouldn't take a 65 y/o with eyes lazered after what consultant at Ultralase told me!