Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

bendix

I love how all debates about public sector value always comes down to the nurses (awwwww, angels, bless em), the value our brave boys overseas bring, and of course those models of uprightedness - our boys in blue.

Blah blah blah.

As someone has already said, the payscales for these jobs are well known, well structured and well communicated, why people in those jobs complain about their salaries is beyond me. A nurse knows what a nurse will earn - why become one if you're not happy with the salary. It's ridiculous.

Plus, of course, these people form a fraction of the public service. The real contempt is felt for the petty mandarins, process-driven junior and middle managers wearing cardigans for work who somehow seem to think the world owes them a living.

Waste of damned space, the lot of them.

If they get low wages, I'm delighted. It reflects their value to society. They are lucky they have jobs at all - the private sector certainly wouldn't hire them, as evidenced by marklv's sad story of how he left the private sector because they didnt think he was worth a payrise and instead, bumped him down two grades.

A great example of a private sector reject finding his true level.

movingforward2010

This will make your day then Mr Bendix

http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/79810/tears-as-flintshire-council-workers-told-pay-could-be-cut-by-thousands.aspx

bendix

wxmlad wrote: »

This will make your day then Mr Bendix

http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/79810/tears-as-flintshire-council-workers-told-pay-could-be-cut-by-thousands.aspx

Your signature is quite right. What goes around comes around. The private sector has suffered pay freezes, pay cuts, reduced time and significant job losses over the last year. At the same time, the public sector has grown and - according to the ONS - become ever more inefficient and unproductive.

I don't recall seeing many in the public sector spilling tears for those in the private sector. On the contrary . .some have had the audacity to argue on here that they deserve all their rights and privileges.

Well, tough. It's time for the public sector to face up to the new fiscal reality the same way as everyone else has done.

Old_Slaphead

bendix wrote: »

Your signature is quite right. What goes around comes around. The private sector has suffered pay freezes, pay cuts, reduced time and significant job losses over the last year. At the same time, the public sector has grown and - according to the ONS - become ever more inefficient and unproductive.

I don't recall seeing many in the public sector spilling tears for those in the private sector. On the contrary . .some have had the audacity to argue on here that they deserve all their rights and privileges.

Well, tough. It's time for the public sector to face up to the new fiscal reality the same way as everyone else has done.

Don't get too carried away Bendix,

Headline should have been "Pay bonanza for thousands of council workers"


Maybe 16% have lost out but 50% have had extra increases. If it's anything like my LA, these will be backdated for 6 years !!!

Many of the ones that lose out will appeal and probably get their grades reinstated.

Pensions will also be upgraded to reflect the increases so overall, despite the headline, it's a substantial extra cost to the council coffers (one that will ultimately lead to a deterioration in services).

JoeyG

Dave101t wrote: »

of course experience counts as extra, if we had faith in the entry level examinations standard maybe things would be different. read the following then tell me you wouldnt want the experienced one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/6219047/Death-rates-rise-as-junior-doctors-change-over.html

If someone was in a job 20 years and had got no better at it than when they started I would expect questions to be asked.

If there was no scope for improvement, then I would suggest the job spec would need to be reviewed

The_White_Horse

all public sector works should have a 10 year pay freeze.

they are all overpaid. and if they don't like it, get a job elsewhere. Plus at least a 25% cull of the non-jobs.

StevieJ

JoeyG wrote: »

If someone was in a job 20 years and had got no better at it than when they started I would expect questions to be asked.

If there was no scope for improvement, then I would suggest the job spec would need to be reviewed

Exactly the reason why the more experienced should be paid more (unless of course they hadn't improved as expected).

movingforward2010

The_White_Horse wrote: »

all public sector works should have a 10 year pay freeze.

they are all overpaid. and if they don't like it, get a job elsewhere. Plus at least a 25% cull of the non-jobs.

25% down from the other day then;)

Cleaver

Kenny4315 wrote: »

The one hell of a super ward ... what about the rest of the nurses who make it up, you've only listed the senior & qualified nursing staff, what about the rest, who allow the ward to function.

There wouldn't generally be any other qualified nurses making up a standard surgical or medical ward, and I didn't mentioned the unqualified as neither did the article we were dicussing.

A more old fashioned ward would have another 8 or 9 HCAs on Band 2. A more modern ward may have advanced HCA roles on Band 3 or 4.

But as I say, the article wasn't discussing unqualified nurses if I remember correctly, just qualified.

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

would you rather have a 65 year old doctor with 40 years of experience perform delicate surgery on you or a 48 year old doctor with 23 years of experience?

I would want the one who was most competent at surgery, kept up to date with their training and personal development and was the best overall at their job. I don't know which one that is from your question.