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consultant31

stef.steve wrote: »

This is democracy: You show me the law, I will follow it. No law? I can do otherwise.

Why they don't do it just in this very same case? Isn't it sufficient to become suspicious?

I am an honest citizen, I just expect to be treated honestly and openly too.

1: I am not bigoted in any way. I don't care what colour, creed or nationality you are but that first statement goes against the grain with me.

2: What is there to be suspicious of. UK citizens have been patiently filling out and sending off the forms for years - what makes you a special case?

3: An honest citizen has nothing to worry about - someone who is trying to find ways to avoid living the way honest citizens do is something for the rest of us to worry about.

I am finished with this thread, before the OP finds a way to make out he's being persecuted!

A quick Google revealed this:

Under the Representation of the People Acts, all residents are required to give
the Electoral Registration Officer information for the purposes of
compiling the register.

Savvy_Sue

And you can read it all here.

suze_g

stef.steve wrote: »

As I believe I have made my point more than clear by now (for those who have read my posts), I wont reply to any other post and will patiently wait for the reference of that law.

Thanks to you all for your contributions.

You could always look for it yourself, instead of saying you won't give any more replies and you will just wait for someone to find it for you.

Go on now, have a google!

Katie-Kat-Kins

stef.steve wrote: »

Thanks! I do not think. You can read it yourself if they answered me or not.



Perfect. Can you show me the reference number/name of this law? Yes it is the representation of the peoples act, you can read it online but you will find it heavy going as it has been revised and updated many times, with separate versions for england scotland and northern ireland. I was going to quote the relevent sections but it was too much of a faff.


Never disputed that, someone else did. Instead I asked if they can fine you if they do not know who you are. Yes they can, they will come to your door, and they will know where you live.



The good reason is that the city council is far from being perfect. It makes mistakes, many of them unfortunately, by my experience.

So, until the council (or anyone else) does not show me the reference number/name to that law: 1) nobody can accuse me of or insinuate anything ; 2) The threat I receive from them is just a criminal offence; 3) I am entitled to ignore the form. Your understanding is overly simplistic and incorrect. The law is there, the council is under no obligation to show you the relevent section. Their threats are not criminal in any way and have the full backing of the law. If you refuse to comply you will be the criminal. You are not entitled to ignore the form.

This is democracy: You show me the law, I will follow it. No law? I can do otherwise. The law is there, there is no obligation upon any body enforcing the law to produce a copy of the act before someone complies. Are you allowed to drink and drive just because no one has shown you the precise section of the road traffic act that outlaws it??? Are you allowed to commit murder because you haven't seen a copy of the homicide act??? Don't be stupid!!!! Ignorance of the law is no defence.

Why the council needs to show disrespect to its citizens (UK or not) by writing a threat out of the blue without referencing the law which could make their "threat", a legal procedure?
They do reference others acts, when they want: "according to the data protection act 2000", "according to the freedom of information act", "according to the consumer protection regulation", etc.? There is no obligation to quote the law, it is probably not done because the full citation would be cumbersome and the "plain english" lobby don't like the use of legal jargon in everyday documents.

Why they don't do it just in this very same case? Isn't it sufficient to become suspicious? No I don't think you need to be suspicious of your local council, do you really think that local authorities across the country would all be simultaneously be making the same threats if they weren't backed by law???? If they didn't have the legal right to raise the fine they threaten to then they wouldn't be able to enforce collection of the money through the court anyway. This is a civilised democracy with checks and balances, fines don't just disappear into a back pocket.

Anyhow, I did not mean this thread to become a flame. I am an honest citizen, I just expect to be treated honestly and openly too. You are being - stop being so paranoid!

As I believe I have made my point more than clear by now (for those who have read my posts), I wont reply to any other post and will patiently wait for the reference of that law.

Thanks to you all for your contributions.

You have your reference to law now, have you read the act? Will you be completing the form or can we expect a post in a few weeks moaning about the fine you have been hit with??