Registration of the buyer when u buy a mobile

Snakeeyes21

They dont ask for details for marketing (although some companies may use them for this) they use them to register the phone / sim so they recieve a commission from the network, which can be quite a tidy sum, this is one of the reasons phones in the uk are cheaper than in other countries.
why else do you think all these shops do cheap £5 phones if you buy £10 airtime, its not for your benefit.

stef.steve

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

They dont ask for details for marketing (although some companies may use them for this) they use them to register the phone / sim so they recieve a commission from the network, which can be quite a tidy sum,

And how the network would benefit from (maybe fake) names/addresses of buyers, if not for marketing purposes?

Also, not only Telecom Networks asks for names but also carphone whole house and 4phone (I guess) they do. Or do they register their data on the database of the network you register your phone into? That would be the answer for obliging you to top up when you buy certain phones pay as you go.

one of the reasons phones in the uk are cheaper than in other countries.
why else do you think all these shops do cheap £5 phones if you buy £10 airtime, its not for your benefit.

So also airlines are involved in the process?
Sorry, I don't get the whole pervert process here :-)))

Stef

Cheers,
Stef

Jakg

UK phones are heavily subsidised - we have one of the best phone prices in the world.

In... Greece, for example, it's much much more expensive - so if you buy a phone here and send it out then you can make a healthy profit.

Of course networks like to give people who want to make money all sort of dodgy names - if they can afford to do it here why cant they do it there?

MrRincewind

it also helps if the person buying the phone/sim want assistance from the network later on, with either barring or sim transfer or even PAC`s,

PAC`s can only be given out to the account holder, So if some one rings the network for a PAC who has given false info they can`t recall or refused to given info at all, then they are going to have a bit of a problem.

Guys_Dad

MrRincewind wrote: »

it also helps if the person buying the phone/sim want assistance from the network later on, with either barring or sim transfer or even PAC`s,

PAC`s can only be given out to the account holder, So if some one rings the network for a PAC who has given false info they can`t recall or refused to given info at all, then they are going to have a bit of a problem.

Good post. Never thought of that, but, of course, it's blindingly obvious when you do.

stef.steve

Jakg wrote: »

Of course networks like to give people who want to make money all sort of dodgy names - if they can afford to do it here why cant they do it there?

Do they know how much does it cost in taxes/bureaucracy to set up a business in Greece? So why do they judge it with bitter comments?

But what is appalling me is that data collection is purely done out of the fact that the Internet and sites like ebays are taking a slice of market they cannot control: no law forbids you from buying a phone here and reselling it. It does not matter where.

I know there are more and more of these "commercial envies" nowadays, for example there is a petition on ebay against a law proposal as giant vendors/retailers in Europe are trying to persuade the European Community to forbid the reselling of used goods, if I remember correctly.

So these giants are now trying to drive the use of goods we own and paid for making them a bit less like "bought" and a bit more like "rented".

And when they cannot defend themselves by those perfectly legit commercial practices, then they set up a "proscription list" of the bad people..to them.

Congratulations to all the telcos involved.

stef.steve

MrRincewind wrote: »

it also helps if the person buying the phone/sim want assistance from the network later on, with either barring or sim transfer or even PAC`s,

PAC`s can only be given out to the account holder, So if some one rings the network for a PAC who has given false info they can`t recall or refused to given info at all, then they are going to have a bit of a problem.

But this is unrelated to phones: all the above is just about SIM and telco providers: it has nothing to do with mobile phones, with the hardware.

It has also nothing to do with the warranty of the phone as the receipt is sufficient to get the phone fixes or replaces, if it breaks.

So I'm afraid the sole reason for this massive data collection, is still to file bad boys (and girls) who sells their phone online for a profit....

Cerenia

robt wrote: »

Why do you care at store level? As long as you get your £130 quid you should be happy as a store? Does the network penalise your store for handsets which don't turn out to be profitable?

If we sell to someone we know is a boxbreaker (or don't check!), we can get in a lot of trouble for it. One of my friends had that as part of a reason when he was sacked. Not worth risking your job over 1.20.

stef.steve

Cerenia wrote: »

If we sell to someone we know is a boxbreaker (or don't check!), we can get in a lot of trouble for it. One of my friends had that as part of a reason when he was sacked. Not worth risking your job over 1.20.

How can you check if one is a "boxbreaker"? Do telcoms aggregate and keep a database of boxbreakers?!?

Cerenia

stef.steve wrote: »

How can you check if one is a "boxbreaker"? Do telcoms aggregate and keep a database of boxbreakers?!?

Nope, they should really, seeming as they make such a fuss about it, but we just check thier postcode, which highlights many out. That and the amount of times we see them coming into store for the same thing.