Knackers off or left where they are?

myothercarisaferrari

our new girlie had a season iover the summer (just got her speyed!!) and my god what a nightmare it was with unneutered males.
She is a scaredy cat dog (!) anyway and to have these howling boys, it was terrifying for her x

foreign_correspondent

ChrisCobra wrote: »

Happens to me all the time , and i dont have any dogs

lovely mental image there of you whimpering and pining, and going on hunger strike! :rotfl:

Paradigm

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

oh yes - some dogs stop eating when there is a !!!!! in season nearby that they cannot get to, and can lose a lot of weight and become quite 'depressed', pining and whimpering!

They will also often dig under fences, or scale them to get to a b1tch, which often leads to them straying, and being at risk of getting lost or causing a road traffic accident.

Maybe you're right, I don't know as it's not something I've experienced personally.... maybe I've been lucky?

I have a nearly 3 boy (not castrated) at the moment & he's no trouble at all apart from his new found facination with cats!!!

To me castration is alongside tail docking/ear clipping but that's my opinion... proper training & control works wonders!

moomin5

I've never understood why nobody ever seems to question gelding/castrating male horses so that there easier to keep yet dogs seem to cause such a debate.

Both my boys we neutered prior to adoption so i don't know if they showed any humping behaviour before but they don't now. I've heard it can be a dominance thing as well as sexual as some females mount too, but the 3 that have mounted my boys while we've out walking were all intact males and obviously they didn't take to kindly to that sort of behaviour.

Errata

I've never understood why nobody ever seems to question gelding/castrating male horses so that there easier to keep yet dogs seem to cause such a debate.

Little boy bulls and lambs also get the chop to prevent them creating havoc. My lad had the chop because I understood he would be at risk of testicular cancer in later life, and as he was never, ever going to get the chance to put them to work it seemed sensible.

orlao

Tartanmax wrote: »

The title says it all really :rotfl:

I have a 8month old dog who is very well behaved most of the time, however, he has started to get a little randy ( not with people) but with other dogs he is well all over them! Male, female, old or young he's not fussy.:rotfl:
He's also very , very bouncy which I know is to be expected of dogs, but when he sees another dog now I'm being completely ignored!

SO my questions are...

Is it time he gets "done"?
What are the benefits for him and us?
Are there any ill effects?

Thanks

Is he a large breed (over 25/30kg full grown weight)? If so, there is a school of thought that says you shouldn't castrate until they have finished growing, something to do with needing their male hormones to make sure that their joints, tendons and ligaments grow strong enough to avoid potential problems later. I don't think this has being medically proven but there is a lot of anecdotal(sp!) evidence.....something to consider?

Benefits are many, most listed above:D and only the usual minor risk of a general anesthetic ...

But be warned that many dogs behave like yours even after castration - mine is one! He was castrated at 6 months, mainly because of similar behaviour and sadly the op made no difference. He also has had ligament and joint problems which may only be coincidence but you do wonder

I still wouldn't have an un neutered dog though but in hindsight I wish I'd waited until he was he was older.

Tartanmax

Crickey! There are loads of different views on the subject!
As he's still a puppy I am aware that his "bouce factor" is just him being a super excitable pup, training wise he's normally very good but at the moment one sight of another dog and he wants to play, not so much actually humping them but he gets very erm excited.

I'm unsure how to deal with him chasing other dogs and completely ignoring me, thus he's leash bound unless we're on our own at the minute.

He's not a large breed dog and I have no intentions of mating him, as far as him escaping/ running off I am very on the ball with him being that I know at the minute he's fasinated by other dogs and is likely to go after them.



I have spoken to the vet and she's pushing for me to get him castrated, I'm reluctant to do it if there is no medical reasons to it, plus of course I have seen/heard the stories of once they have been castrated your dog is never the same.

He's not an aggressive dog at all, just very playful.

It does seem that the general views are it won't calm him down much... I presume the calmness will come with age anyway?

Errata

All young animals leap around like loonies, charge about without a care in the world, get a bit unecessary, whether they be lambs, calves, foals, toddlers or pups. They usually calm down a bit as they mature.
Not sure if you've a bloke or not, but blokes often project their feelings about losing their bits onto their dogs so sometimes they find it a bit harder than women to decide on having their dog neutered.
It's your decision, all you can do is weigh up the pros and cons.

Paradigm

Tartanmax wrote: »

Crickey! There are loads of different views on the subject!

The same with any subject

Tartanmax wrote: »

I'm unsure how to deal with him chasing other dogs and completely ignoring me, thus he's leash bound unless we're on our own at the minute.

He's not a large breed dog and I have no intentions of mating him, as far as him escaping/ running off I am very on the ball with him being that I know at the minute he's fasinated by other dogs and is likely to go after them.

Get him to puppy training classes, get him socialised with other dogs... I've found that they work quite well but you need to put the time & effort in & find a good one! Not the answer to everything but a good start.

Tartanmax wrote: »

I have spoken to the vet and she's pushing for me to get him castrated, I'm reluctant to do it if there is no medical reasons to it, plus of course I have seen/heard the stories of once they have been castrated your dog is never the same.

The problem is that many people see castration as a cure all for any behaviour problems in male dogs, it isn't! (see post 17 above)

The only things it will guarentee are no puppies & no risk of testicular cancer (not sure how great that risk is).

Does it change a dogs "personality"? Maybe, after all that's exactly what it's intended to do.

Tartanmax wrote: »

He's not an aggressive dog at all, just very playful.

It does seem that the general views are it won't calm him down much... I presume the calmness will come with age anyway?

All puppies are hyper & should calm down but they need work! When you see a well behaved dog it hasn't got like that by luck..... similarly the not so well behaved

At the end of the day I'm not saying I'm right & everyone else is wrong, it's my view.... & your choice!

foreign_correspondent

Neutering is not a cure-all for behavioral problems, of course, but it can prevent the dog from being distracted by its natural urges to find a female, fight other male dogs etc... and of course, a distracted dog is very hard to train - neutering removes some of these competing attractions and urges which puts the dog into a better situation to focus.

Here is some info which may be useful

Neutering is often suggested as a way of helping with behavioural problems, but how true is this? It won’t really change anything in !!!!!es, except make their temperament more stable. However in young male dogs it should prevent certain behaviour problems from ever starting in the first place (testosterone-based problems); such as inappropriate mounting of animals, objects and humans, territory marking, certain types of aggression and straying. When these problems occur in an entire dog, although neutering should not be seen as a cure, it will certainly help, along with an appropriate retraining programme. We need to remember, however, that in some cases it may be four to six months before the effects of neutering are seen in a male dog.

Neutering can also prevent some illnesses that may occur in a dog’s later life and also reduces the stress experienced by many un-neutered dogs living in a modern society, where they are expected to be ‘nice’, calm, family pets, without expressing their natural urges!

What will happen if I don’t neuter my dog?
Males

• Some male dogs may develop behavioural problems caused by an increase of testosterone (the male hormone produced in the testicles).

• This type of behaviour may include mounting other dogs of either sex, mounting people and objects around the house such as cushions or their own beds.

• Other problems you may encounter are territory marking (urinating) around the house, aggression (particularly towards other male dogs) and straying.

What are the advantages of neutering?
Males

• May reduce some sexual-related unwanted behaviour.

• Eliminates the risk of testicular cancer.

• Greatly reduces the risk of problems with the prostate gland.

• Reduces the risk of some anal and perineal tumours.

• Removes the stress of being a male entire dog in a modern society, where he has to share his territory and isn’t allowed to express his normal ‘male’ behaviour.

Will it change my dog’s personality or solve any behavioural problems?

• In general it should make your dog or !!!!! calmer, more reliable and less moody – but your dog’s usual personality will still be there.

• If behavioural problems have started in your dog before he has been castrated then castration alone may not cure them. Some of these problems become a habit and therefore will need a course of retraining to achieve positive results. It can take quite a while before all of the testosterone has gone after castration, so you may not see a difference for four to six months after the operation.

From here : http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/information/atozofdogs/n/neutering/text.htm