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MSE News: British Parking Association agrees to face its critics

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  • sarahg1969
    sarahg1969 Posts: 6,694 Forumite
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    "In relation to the NCP ticket example:

    There are many Railway Byelaws under the various Railways Acts and these are legally enforceable. The train company or station operator may use contractors to undertake this parking enforcement. It is a matter for the railways how they do this and any appeals to such enforcement acts must be made using the mechanisms established by the Railways Acts and Byelaws."


    That is all entirely irrelevant to the fact that NCP are issuing fraudulent invoices purporting to be issued under railway byelaws when they are not.

    "There is precedent that says on the balance of probabilities the driver of a motor vehicle is the registered keeper unless the registered keeper advises to the contrary"

    You can't say there's a "precedent" without saying what it is. Come, now.
  • Vomityspice
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    As a lowly trainee solicitor (Currently completing my LPC), your use of the word 'precedent' is utterly misleading.

    "There is precedent that says on the balance of probabilities the driver of a motor vehicle is the registered keeper unless the registered keeper advises to the contrary"

    Where does this misinformation come from? or is it just made up to suit your views?

    As Sarahg1969 correctly states, exactly which case are you referring to?

    I'm happy to do some free legal research on Lexis Nexis or Westlaw to find this legal precedent, and on first search I have yet to find the case to which you are referring?

    I'm happy to be guided by you, just let me know the case you are referring to, or alternatively withdraw the above statement as you must know (or should know) that it is false.
  • nicechap
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    Perhaps the BPA could tell us whether this firm is a member, and, irrespective of whether they are or not, what action they would take against them for this breach of the SIA licence?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8268858.stm
    Originally Posted by shortcrust
    "Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."
  • nicechap
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    & should clampers be able to clamp people on their own property?

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1953921
    Originally Posted by shortcrust
    "Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."
  • nicechap wrote: »
    Perhaps the BPA could tell us whether this firm is a member, and, irrespective of whether they are or not, what action they would take against them for this breach of the SIA licence?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8268858.stm

    No, Able Parking are not members of the BPA. The situation with SIA licences is currently tricky as they apply to an individual rather than a company so the company would not be at fault, although the individual may be.

    However, it is worth bearing in mind - purely as a note of warning so that readers don't find themselves in the same situation - that blue badges are not necessarily valid on private land; it is up to the landowner whether they wish to treat the same as in an on-street situation.
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of the British Parking Association. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
  • As a lowly trainee solicitor (Currently completing my LPC), your use of the word 'precedent' is utterly misleading.

    "There is precedent that says on the balance of probabilities the driver of a motor vehicle is the registered keeper unless the registered keeper advises to the contrary"

    Where does this misinformation come from? or is it just made up to suit your views?

    As Sarahg1969 correctly states, exactly which case are you referring to?

    I'm happy to do some free legal research on Lexis Nexis or Westlaw to find this legal precedent, and on first search I have yet to find the case to which you are referring?

    I'm happy to be guided by you, just let me know the case you are referring to, or alternatively withdraw the above statement as you must know (or should know) that it is false.


    I believe there is a precedent however I am not familiar with it off the top of my head (I was provided with this information by a colleague). I will check this and get back to you.
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of the British Parking Association. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
  • Driver8
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    No, Able Parking are not members of the BPA. The situation with SIA licences is currently tricky as they apply to an individual rather than a company so the company would not be at fault, although the individual may be.

    However, it is worth bearing in mind - purely as a note of warning so that readers don't find themselves in the same situation - that blue badges are not necessarily valid on private land; it is up to the landowner whether they wish to treat the same as in an on-street situation.

    BPACR. You cannot defend the indefensible.

    You know it, i know it in fact we all now know your days are numbered for your scamming members using dubious threats, intimidation and god knows what else just to extort money from people who didn't know they were being scammed.

    Just take a look at all the views the threads on this forum have generated. Hundreds of thousands and no doubt those hundreds of thousands have passed the knowledge on to others too.

    Did you come on here to try and justify scamming members of the public just to keep your scamming members happy?

    In your two posts you have offered nothing new to the forum.

    People are awakening massively to your scam invoice con and i would love to know how much money your members have been losing in the last few months due to people being aware of this scam. Got any figures?

    I am absolutely delighted some of your members will soon be losing jobs and you lot deserve everything that is coming your way.

    I re-iterate you cannot defend the indefensible, your days are numbered.
  • nicechap
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    No, Able Parking are not members of the BPA. The situation with SIA licences is currently tricky as they apply to an individual rather than a company so the company would not be at fault, although the individual may be.

    However, it is worth bearing in mind - purely as a note of warning so that readers don't find themselves in the same situation - that blue badges are not necessarily valid on private land; it is up to the landowner whether they wish to treat the same as in an on-street situation.

    So if Able Securities were members of the BPA, you would take no action against them and the BPA support the clamping of disabled drivers on private land?

    EDIT: to confirm my understanding and clarify the original question re-stated above: only SIA licenced operators can affix clamps to cars on private land, the SIA would take this person or company's licence away for doing this, but BPA support, or at the very least, do not oppose, the clamping of disabled drivers on private land.
    Originally Posted by shortcrust
    "Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."
  • trisontana
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    So the BPA rep admits that "blue badges are not necessarily valid on private land". But members of his organization issue "fines" for so-called contraventions of disabled parking bays. You can't have it both ways!
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
  • peter_the_piper
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    I think its both brave and risky for the bpa rep to post on here, if we give him a bit of slack we may convince him of the error of his members ways. WE know that most, if not all, bend and stretch the truth in the effort to squeeze money out of the unsuspecting. Its not the ones who post here and Pepipoo who need the ppc's to be brought under control its all those who don't know about these forums and just cough up.
    I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
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