Lottery Win

Soubrette

Dancing_Shoes wrote: »

This is a bit of a silly hypothetical question but the thought popped into my head last night and I can't help but wonder.
What would happen if the NRP won the lottery? Would he have to give a percentage to the pwc? Would the CSA class this as income?
Now to throw a spanner in the works, what if the NRPP won the lottery and put it all into a sole account in her name only??

Interesting question - assuming CSA2, as I understand it, if the NRP wins the lottery and it is over £65000 then it is assumed to be earing 8% interest and it is a proportion of that interest that the PWC is entitled to (so the NRP would keep considerably more than 92% of the actual winnings).

If the NRP wins the lottery and transfers it to the NRPP then this would be seen as deliberate deprivation of assets and so would be assessed as if it were the NRP.

If the NRPP wins the lottery then the money is that person's and there is no case to answer if the PWC tries to make a claim. Even if a claim is made on lifestyle exceeding declared income - if proof is offered that the NRPP won the money then this should be enough to prove that the NRP's income does not fund the extravagent lifestyle.

However, would the word of the NRP/NRPP be acceptable to the CSA (I don't trust them an inch) and if not then what proof could be offered to show that the NRPP bought the winning ticket?

Sou

Dancing_Shoes

Make sure you buy the lottery tickets (if you are the nrpp) make sure you have a sole account and get advice on how to spend it if you win so that it doesn't become the nrp's income (advice from a good source;))

Soubrette

Dancing_Shoes wrote: »

Make sure you buy the lottery tickets (if you are the nrpp) make sure you have a sole account and get advice on how to spend it if you win so that it doesn't become the nrp's income (advice from a good source;))

Yeah - the only problem I forsee are situations where for example the NRP has made proveable regular payments direct to the PWC and yet the CSA choose to believe that no child maintenance payments have been made.

Or on the other side of the coin - an NRP declares a certain income which could easily be checked by looking at tax returns but the CSA prefer to take the NRPs word.

I'm not sure the assurance that the NRPP bought the ticket would necessarily cut the mustard - perhaps buy 5 tickets using their own credit card

It's funny though - I'll bet if the PWCP won the lottery there would be no talk about how to keep the filthy lucre away from benefiting the child of that household. In the main the child would almost certainly just benefit from the increased household capital gain.

Sou

LizzieS_2

Soubrette wrote: »

It's funny though - I'll bet if the PWCP won the lottery there would be no talk about how to keep the filthy lucre away from benefiting the child of that household. In the main the child would almost certainly just benefit from the increased household capital gain.

Sou

As a small minority of nrp/nrrp already complain the pwcp is richer than they are, a few will whinge if the pwc wants support from the natural parent.

Dancing_Shoes

I have no problem with gifting money to the pwc's and nrp's joint children I just object to being told to when it is my money. If it was a joint win with the nrp then I would be happy to have my 50% and then have 20% from his winnings for my children then pay 20% from his winnings to his children with the pwc................our pwc wouldn't be happy with this though she would want ALL the winnings.
If the pwc won the lottery or had a better income etc than us then to be honest it wouldn't concern me as her money is her money! I have never objected to paying child maintenance as I think that every parent should pay towards their childs upbringing, I just think that ALL children need to be taken into consideration.
To be frank, I can honestly say that I hate our pwc, she is probably the only person I can truly say that about and it is because she has been so evil so if I won the lottery then yes she (not the children) would be the last person I would ever want to benefit from the money. I would happily put money away for their children but yes I would give substantially more to my children as they are mine. Sorry if that upsets anyone but i am being honest:o

Strapped

Dancing_Shoes wrote: »

Make sure you buy the lottery tickets (if you are the nrpp) make sure you have a sole account and get advice on how to spend it if you win so that it doesn't become the nrp's income (advice from a good source;))

I'm a NRPP but frankly if I won the lottery there would be enough £££s to go round for everyone!

Strapped

Soubrette wrote: »

Yeah - the only problem I forsee are situations where for example the NRP has made proveable regular payments direct to the PWC and yet the CSA choose to believe that no child maintenance payments have been made.

Or on the other side of the coin - an NRP declares a certain income which could easily be checked by looking at tax returns but the CSA prefer to take the NRPs word.

I'm not sure the assurance that the NRPP bought the ticket would necessarily cut the mustard - perhaps buy 5 tickets using their own credit card

It's funny though - I'll bet if the PWCP won the lottery there would be no talk about how to keep the filthy lucre away from benefiting the child of that household. In the main the child would almost certainly just benefit from the increased household capital gain.

Sou

I thought that a lottery ticket was effectively a bearer bond, so whoever claims the prize (and writes their name on the back of the ticket) is the legal winner.

Dancing_Shoes

Strapped wrote: »

I'm a NRPP but frankly if I won the lottery there would be enough £££s to go round for everyone!

Totally agree and I would ensure the children got some of the money and were set up but object to being told they have any sort of claim on my money as financially they aren't my responsibilty just as my children aren't the pwc's responsibility:p

Strapped

Dancing_Shoes wrote: »

Totally agree and I would ensure the children got some of the money and were set up but object to being told they have any sort of claim on my money as financially they aren't my responsibilty just as my children aren't the pwc's responsibility:p

Forgive me if I find this hard to believe, given your statement about making sure that it didn't become the NRP's income. Honestly, if your family suddenly became millionaires, would you really begrudge a little extra in child maintenance? Would it really matter?

Dancing_Shoes

I am certainly not a millionaire already but the pwc's and nrp's children have savings set up which has mainly come from MY income so I think it would be fair to say that I have no issue with them having more money. So yes I would set up some funds for the children but no I wouldn't pay her any more maintenance. The reason I said about ensuring the funds were mine was because if they were the nrp's funds then obviously she would be entitled to more maintenance.

In an amicable situation then i am sure many nrp's partners/wives/husbands would be happy to pay more maintenance but this is not that situation. We have had to press charges against our pwc previously because of her mental behavior so excuse me if I wouldn't want to make her life any easier:rolleyes: (our existing money more than covers the childrens lifestyle AND hers so it isn't like she's scrimping for money)