Car drivers = grrr!

Gordon861

dizzybuff wrote: »

its a well known fact that bus drivers are taught 2 flashes and pull out regardless of whats on the road .

A signal is exactly that , a sigle of what you wish / intend to do . Just because u signal to go into a lane give you the automatic right 2 manuvour into that lane.
and plus you give way if it is safe to do so in the case of buses or any other traffic .. I would NOT give way if i had a line of traffic behind me , the bus can frankly wait as i will not jeapodise the people in the cars by breaking, in a car or on a bike...

Missed the point here, the reason I bought that up was it was an example of the Highway Code Rules not actually being the Law, that most road users will see.

olly300

dizzybuff wrote: »

its a well known fact that bus drivers are taught 2 flashes and pull out regardless of whats on the road .

No they are not. I live in an area where there is more than one bus company on the road.

Some bus drivers signal once then pull out basically cos they don't give a f*** about causing an accident.

Others will wait for a gap but most will signal and when the 4th motorist won't let them out will pull out regardless.

The trick is not to be the 4th car passing them.............

dizzybuff wrote: »

A signal is exactly that , a sigle of what you wish / intend to do . Just because u signal to go into a lane give you the automatic right 2 manuvour into that lane.
and plus you give way if it is safe to do so in the case of buses or any other traffic .. I would NOT give way if i had a line of traffic behind me , the bus can frankly wait as i will not jeapodise the people in the cars by breaking, in a car or on a bike...

The person behind you shouldn't be so close so they can't brake without causing an accident.

Anyway I only give way to buses if I know that they are only bus route on that road as I know I will 9 times out of 10 be able to overtake them in the next 2 bus stops. (It helps if you have used the bus as well.)

Markyt

Altarf wrote: »

And if they are passing on the outside of a traffic queue, then they are simply overtaking and the Highway Code rules apply. Lets pick a selection -

163 - Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
* not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
* stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues.

167 - DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
* approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
* where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works

That's not quite correct. Filtering is a different, specialised form of overtaking, hence it having a different description in legal terms. With reference to the quotes from the HC, you'll notice they say 'do not' (advisory) as opposed to 'must not' (legal requirement). However, failing to filter safely and properly may leave the rider open to charges of dangerous driving.

Altarf

(Unsurprisingly) I disagree, and of course I realise that the Highway code says "Do Not", not "Must Not".

My point, which you completely missed, is that if a motorcyclist ignores the advice of the HC, then they they lay themselves open to blame in the event of an accident. But more importantly, as I mentioned way earlier in this thread, irrespective of whether something is "legal", in the event of any accident it won't be the car driver that ends up worse off.

Anyway, I saw a spectacular piece of "filtering" this morning -

An ambulance making its way on blue lights and sirens through a busy Saturday morning town centre. All the vehicles on both sides of the road pull in to let it through, and then once it had gone past, they start to pull out to carry on their journey. And that was the moment a plonker on a bike decides to "filter" at 30+mph (in a 20mph zone) down the middle of the road trying to pass a dozen vehicles, until he almost impaled himself in the side of a bus. Smart.

Gordon861

Did you actually look at that report?
It shows that most of the accidents aren't the blame of the motorcylist, most are the fault of a second vehicle doing something that causes the accident.

On the incident you saw today, going from what you typed, yes that rider was an idiot and will probably end up as one of the riders that causes an accident. But that incident you describe is not filtering and if seen and reported by the poice they would probably be nicked.

Filtering occurs when the other traffic is stationary and has nowhere else to go and the bike continues to move along a line of traffic.

Just a guess but, judging by todays weather I expect that the rider you saw was one of the weekend/fairweather riders that you often see at the weekends only. I also expect that they were riding in a t-shirt and trainers, these sort of riders are idiots and need to be avoided when possible.

Markyt

Altarf wrote: »

An ambulance making its way on blue lights and sirens through a busy Saturday morning town centre. All the vehicles on both sides of the road pull in to let it through, and then once it had gone past, they start to pull out to carry on their journey. And that was the moment a plonker on a bike decides to "filter" at 30+mph (in a 20mph zone) down the middle of the road trying to pass a dozen vehicles, until he almost impaled himself in the side of a bus. Smart.

That's actually a huge reason for crashes involving emergency vehicles, bikes or not. Many drivers think the emergency vehicles has gone past and then pull out to continue their merry way, assuming that the danger has gone, only to get hit by one of those stealthy fire engines (or whichever vehicle is following the first one).

Altarf

Gordon861 wrote: »

Filtering occurs when the other traffic is stationary and has nowhere else to go and the bike continues to move along a line of traffic..

I agree. However many other people here seem to think that a bike manoeuvring between any traffic that is slower than them is "filtering". I bet if I asked the biker who I saw the other day pass between a number of vehicles on a dual carriageway (who were doing 60mph+) that he was "filtering".

Gordon861 wrote: »

Just a guess but, judging by todays weather I expect that the rider you saw was one of the weekend/fairweather riders that you often see at the weekends only. I also expect that they were riding in a t-shirt and trainers, these sort of riders are idiots and need to be avoided when possible.

Funnily enough you could not be more wrong. Full leathers (sensible ones not show off ones), on a big touring bike (panniers, etc). That was what surprised me, someone that I thought should have known better behaving like an idiot.

movingforward2010

been out this afternoon, i was doing 60mph and a bike came past me at speed i would say about 100mph, he was gone in to the distance in seconds. Another 3 over took us while we were doing 60mph in to on coming traffic causing us all to break and the other lane of traffic to as well, i couldnt believe what the last 2 done, you know when you think they are gonna pull in- but they didnt, how the hell they got in is a miracle, it was so close, i thought we'd be ringing the emergency services

On my way back one biker over took a row of car whilst approaching a hidden dip, it was sign posted so i dont know if he/she had a death wish or just couldn't read, then another 2 over took us in a 30 mph zone! seriously its like this all the time on nice days- between bala and llangollen and the horseshoe pass and llangollen/corwen

A few weekends back one biker past us heading in the opposite direction at god knows what speed , shortly followed by a marked volvo estate with blue lights flashing.

im not saying their the worst on the road, but around here there not far off! and yes i do see a lot of sensible bikers to

in the incidents mentioned above i cant see where the car drivers were at fault??

ive got nothing against motorcyclist at all, in fact a few of my friends are, but there's nothing more scary than going around a bend and seeing a biker coming towards you at 90mph on the wrong side of the road, i've lost count how many times this happens over the past few summers, yes i may be ok if i hit him or her, it might not be my fault, but i couldnt live with myself if i'd been involved in an accident where someone had died

movingforward2010

dizzybuff wrote: »

There will be even more there this weekend.:p. You have great roads and it is a handful of bikers and high powered car drivers that cause these. This is just a fantastic example of media hype at its best .Unfortunatly because of a certain high powered copper targetting bikers not working with them to reduce these accidents, local buisnesses are suffering because this copper is opn his own little high horse. If he took a lesson from Chesters Cheif constable and ensured a police attendance at bike meets , not to target them but to organise bikesafe attendance and educate bikers he may actually get somewhere to reduce the death toll on North wales roads...

I for one avoid north wales , not because if the death rate , but because of the distrimination bikers get by the local constabulary ...

Here endeth the lesson

brunstrom hates all drivers and riders:p, n wales is a traffic controlled police state:rolleyes:

goldspanners

i dont often drive on the A82 between crianlarich and ardlui,but on the occasions i have done there seems to be these same 3 guys all on ducatis in full ducati leathers all absoloutly hammering up and down this stretch,its a popular road for bikers but these guys look to be racing,its the fastest ive ever saw anyone ride a bike on the road,at some points they are struggling to keep the front wheel on the road.

it all looks great fun but i cant help but think it will all end in tears.