Two PIRs for security light?

Altarf

davester wrote: »

The only recent EU regulation that made any sence was allowing non straight fruit and veg to be sold. Bent fruit and veg have rights to be eatten too.

Interesting apart from the fact that it is a UK inspired law, nothing to do with the EU. It was introduced as a result of an MP's daughter being killed after her boyfriend did some dodgy DIY (a screw in a shelf he put up had hit into a live cable).

And the bendy banana rules you mentioned are irrelevant to most people, unless they are a food processing manufacturer or a Daily Mail reader, as fruit and veg it applies to cannot be labelled 'extra', 'class I' or 'class II', and when did you ever see a supermarket sell anything other than 'extra', 'class I' or 'class II' fruit and veg.

isofa

fwor wrote: »

Oh - I didn't know that - and I've immediately forgotten it!

I'm one of those people that believes that the general population should be able to make their own decisions about what they are capable of doing, rather than being "regulated" in everything they do.

Totally agree. I'm very competent with electrics and other than putting in a new consumer unit, there is nothing I'd not do in the home. However I'd not touch plumbing, not my thing!

I've put many new lights in our house, fully wired the loft, power to the garage, and all sorts - all utterly safe, and would pass any "inspection" with flying colours.

Incidentally, the option of using a "qualified electrician" to me isn't always as good as it sounds. I'm extremely neat, tidy and safety conscious, and all of my work would easily beat that of a day-to-day sparky, who really just wants to come in, do the work asap and then leave. Let's face it, the home owner (provided they are competent), is going to be a lot more careful and neat with their own property than a workman.

As for the laws being brought in because someone non-qualified caused a danger, heed my story (and many others like it)...We had a bathroom re-fitted and the supplied their own "qualified electrician", well known in our area and a "good name". He installed halogen downlighters with transformers far too close to the lights themselves in the roofspace, resulting in one transformer casing melting causing a potentially huge fire risk, thank goodness I went up and checked a few days after the install. Utterly pathetic. I was shocked at the mess in the loft after he'd finished, transformers hanging off joists with one badly fitted screw, debris everywhere. The extractor fan was so badly positioned that water pooled in the ducting and built up eventually flowing back in the winter exposing the circuit board to water. I rewired it all myself and now it is safe.

Altarf

Although I have always done my own electrics, the problem is dealing with the complete prats that don't know that they have no idea what they are doing, but do it anyway.

The worst I ever came across was where one DIYer had -

• Put in new light fittings, but joined the "spare" ring live by twisting the wires together, pushing a rawplug over the bare (live) exposed copper wires, and then shoving the lot into the ceiling void.
• Disconnected all the earthing wires in the kitchen and bathroom.
• Joined a 10mm shower cable using a 3 amp flex connector, by cutting 3/4s of the wires away to fit them in the connector, and then burying the result in a false wall.

davester

I have seen qualified electricians electrify the water comeing out of a shower when installing a powershower and mix the live and earth wire at the fuse box so the hotplate I had didn't get hot but the metal case gave a little shock. So fully agree that competant people should be able to do it.

Altarf

Competent people can still do it. They just need to get submit an application to the Local Authority Building Control team before they start work, allow them to inspect the work, and pay their fee.

davester

money making scheme i see lol

Leopard

I do hope raping the OP's wife in the dark and then burgling their house would not get the culprit into trouble under Part P Regulations.

But, you never know, these days.

I think fwor is being very rash coming out with statements like:

fwor wrote: »

I'm one of those people that believes that the general population should be able to make their own decisions about what they are capable of doing, rather than being "regulated" in everything they do.

Such criticism of the Government is dangerously provocative: you could be severely Blaired. Remember the fate of that outrageously outspoken octogenarian concentration camp survivor who had the temerity to say "Rubbish" at something spouted by a Member of the Blair Cabinet, no less! He was hauled out by two Labour Party thugs and then charged under the Terrorism Acts - no legal rights after that little measure. Ever wondered what would have happened to him if it hadn't been caught on television?

davester wrote: »

yep you can't wipe your own bum without haveing the regulation accepted toilet paper. :rotfl:

You have such a charming way of making your points. Living with you must be a constant joy; every day peppered with gems like that. :cool:



isofa,

You are missing the point. This is most important. It's perfectly acceptable if your house is burned down by bad wiring provided that it was installed by a qualified electrician. That's OK. But rendering it safe, yourself, is a heinous offence under Part P of "The Regulations". "The Regulations" are sacrosanct. Only a dangerous radical would fail to see this, let alone dispute them. :eek:

If any responsible citizen informs on you, as all responsible citizens should, Your Government will reward them.

davester wrote: »

I have seen qualified electricians electrify the water comeing out of a shower when installing a powershower and mix the live and earth wire at the fuse box so the hotplate I had didn't get hot but the metal case gave a little shock.

These worthy artisans had been on a special course, set up to train them how to deal with dangerously outspoken rebels such as yourself. You have been under covert observation for quite some time. Oh yes!

kwikbreaks

Soon we'll need a licence and qualifications to indulge in horizontal jogging.

After that I guess it will be one for breathing.

Is this the beginning of the end for the Darwin Awards?

davester

Said Artisans could have been from immigration I wasn't living in the UK at the time.:D The government know all about me I'm sure and my specialised knowledge.

davester

ANYWAY ..... those solar lamps seem more of a bargin and way to go now:D