Migrants to UK 'returning home'

carolt

Interesting to see the effects this will have on the economy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8243225.stm

PS Please note this thread is not an excuse for 'bash the immigrant' thread. I believe that's elsewhere. :eek:

PasturesNew

If times are hard, it's always better/easier "at home".

We've had a lot of ours come home from Spain and Aus.

It's only natural.

Everybody really just wants to be at home and close to mum.

Old_Slaphead

Thought it was only the impoverished & ill who were returning. The healthy & wealthy are still heading out.

Ste_C

PasturesNew wrote: »

We've had a lot of ours come home from Spain and Aus.

Unfortunately true. Give me 1000 Pols over these louts.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

carolt wrote: »

Interesting to see the effects this will have on the economy:
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There was a thread about this recently, don't remember if it was here or elsewhere though.

From memory, UK population increased by 408,000 people last year, despite an exodus of some migrants. Net migration is still a positive figure for the UK, even with recession, but it is lower than it was.

Economic impacts from a smaller rate of population growth should be fairly minimal.

ruggedtoast

As someone who has to work with the UKBA as part of my job I canconfidently assure you that the government does not have the faintest idea how many immigrants there are. Or whether they are leaving or arriving.

These figures are utterly meaningless because the statistical models they are drawn from are fantasy.

The new rules to tighten up visa regulations have actually just made it a lot easier to obtain a visa to the UK. Points are awarded that grant automatic visa status, the individual consulates no longer have much say in the matter. Applicants no longer need to prove their own funds, only that someone in their family has funds.

Gordon Brown has caved into every single demand the CBI has made for low wage, transient, non unionised labour.

Leighthal

I just read something about the NHS needing a huge funding increase to accomodate the number of increased births by immigrants.I should try to find it.BRB

ninky_2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

As someone who has to work with the UKBA as part of my job I canconfidently assure you that the government does not have the faintest idea how many immigrants there are. Or whether they are leaving or arriving.

These figures are utterly meaningless because the statistical models they are drawn from are fantasy.

The new rules to tighten up visa regulations have actually just made it a lot easier to obtain a visa to the UK. Points are awarded that grant automatic visa status, the individual consulates no longer have much say in the matter. Applicants no longer need to prove their own funds, only that someone in their family has funds.

Gordon Brown has caved into every single demand the CBI has made for low wage, transient, non unionised labour.

surely this is a fairer system? getting the visa if you have the points shouldn't be difficult. but surely what IS still difficult is qualifying for the points in the first place.

i don't think UK is unique in EU for not knowing exactly how many EU immigrants are in the country - that is the point of having the EU, to allow greater freedom of movement. they probably also don't know how many people moved from manchester to liverpool or wales to england.

IveSeenTheLight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

carolt wrote: »

Interesting to see the effects this will have on the economy:

From memory, UK population increased by 408,000 people last year, despite an exodus of some migrants. Net migration is still a positive figure for the UK, even with recession, but it is lower than it was.

Economic impacts from a smaller rate of population growth should be fairly minimal.

Just to back this up.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=6

Also interesting to see that births are on the increase

The estimated resident population of the UK was 61,383,000 in mid-2008, up by 408,000 on the previous year.

Children aged under 16 represented around one in five of the total population, around the same proportion as those of retirement age. In mid-2008 the average age of the population was 39 years, up from 37 in 1998.

The diagram above is a representation of the age and sex structure of the population, known as a population pyramid. Each bar represents a particular single year of age and the length shows the population of that age. The structure of the pyramid is determined by births, deaths and migration.

Up to the age of around 70, the number of males and females are fairly equal. At the top of the pyramid, from the age of 71 onwards, females outnumber males more. This is shown by longer bars on the female side of the pyramid. The ratio of females to males increases progressively from 1.1 at age 71, to 2.1 by the age of 89. This reflects the higher life expectancy of women at older ages and higher male mortality during the Second World War.

Further down the pyramid, people of working age (aged 16 to 64 for males and 16 to 59 for females) represent 62 per cent of the total mid-2008 population. The pyramid also shows the ‘bulge’ of the ‘baby boomers’ born in the 1960s moving into the older ages.

A sharp tapering of the pyramid for people aged 31 to 37 reflects the low fertility in the 1970s. Another narrowing of the pyramid appears between the ages of 7 and 20 reflecting the low fertility rates from the late 1980s to early 2000s. The number of births dropped to 663,000 in the year to mid-2002, but increased steadily from mid-2003 onwards to 791,000 in the year to mid-2008, thus broadening the base of the pyramid.

Any

Leighthal wrote: »

I just read something about the NHS needing a huge funding increase to accomodate the number of increased births by immigrants.I should try to find it.BRB

I thought that is good news.
I thought that the worry before was that soon we will have more pensioners then people working and therefore paying tax towards those pension payments...

MissMoneypenny

It's the weak sterling that is making a lot move home. Add to that the massive tax rises we are going to get and it doesn't make a lot of sense for those that work, to stay here, unless you feel loyal to the UK. Not sure how long that loyal feeling will stay though when people start to see even less spare money for all the hours they work.