Migrants to UK 'returning home'

IveSeenTheLight

Harry_Powell wrote: »

I don't agree with you that it is by far the worst way of utilising tax payers money, but it is up there in the Top 10.

You really think the Child Trust Fund is in the top ten of waste of taxpayers money

Name your top 10, I could probably name a lot more before the Child Trust Fund get's anywhere near it.

Harry_Powell

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You really think the Child Trust Fund is in the top ten of waste of taxpayers money

Name your top 10, I could probably name a lot more before the Child Trust Fund get's anywhere near it.

Well you thought it was "by far the worst way of utilising tax payers money". How can you say that and yet defend it?

IveSeenTheLight

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Well you thought it was "by far the worst way of utilising tax payers money". How can you say that and yet defend it?

From this I meant it was a far way away from being the worst ways of utilising tax payers money.

I maid a faux pas, I think from previous posts you knew what I meant though.

Harry_Powell

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

From this I meant it was a far way away from being the worst ways of utilising tax payers money.

I maid a faux pas, I think from previous posts you knew what I meant though.

I know, I was trying to be humourous. Once again I fail.

I'll leave comedy to mewbs I think

MissMoneypenny

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

The Child Trust Fund is not a benefit for these adults though, it's an investment for the childrens future.

Something that the parents should do, or teach their children to do. The more you give people, the more they learn to take (ask for things to be given to them).

mewbie_2

Harry_Powell wrote: »

I know, I was trying to be humourous. Once again I fail.

I'll leave comedy to mewbs I think

I thought it was very good for a first attempt.

IveSeenTheLight

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Something that the parents should do, or teach their children to do. The more you give people, the more they learn to take (ask for things to be given to them).

I understand the philosophy about earning what you are given.
It's all very nice and easy to say that the parents should do it or teach the children to save.
There are many people out there who do not have £500 available to put away in an investment, hence how the Child Trust Fund is a way to guarantee the investment is there for the childs future.
Then every child in the future have a financial start in life, not just those that their parents were wise or had the financial ability.
When times are tough as well, it would be easy for the parents to "dip in" to the fund, something that can't happen with the CTF.

nembot

The sheer numbers of workers coming in from the continent was used for years as a factor to why house prices were increasing in value.

In terms of btl, this was certainly true as a number of people I know did let properties to foreign nationals who came over to work. When I say work, these people really understand the meaning of the word, almost making the average english worker look lazy.

As the jobs disappear, so will these people - the btl army will find it increasingly harder over time.

So yes, there is potential for negative impact due to this..

IveSeenTheLight

nembot wrote: »

The sheer numbers of workers coming in from the continent was used for years as a factor to why house prices were increasing in value.

In terms of btl, this was certainly true as a number of people I know did let properties to foreign nationals who came over to work. When I say work, these people really understand the meaning of the word, almost making the average english worker look lazy.

As the jobs disappear, so will these people - the btl army will find it increasingly harder over time.

So yes, there is potential for negative impact due to this..

There is a lot of anecdotal information saying that there will be negative UK migration, it would be good to see actual facts for this.

Indeed, the quarterly report for Migration Statistics released on 27th August 2009, is still showing positive net migration (although lower than previous years.
This is as a result of higher emmigration, but the fact remains that net migration is still positive. Therefore there are not less people in the UK but more.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/mig0809.pdf

It's interesting to compare this against the number of UK citizens


There has been net migration to the UK has been positive since the early 80's. This is not a recent phenomena
http://www.migrationinformation.org/charts/blair-fig1-may07.cfm

Many on here refer to "The Polish are leaving". I can back this up again from the recent migration report in August

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/mig0809.pdf

In the year to December 2008 the number of workers from A8 countries registering to
work as an employee in the UK via the Worker Registration Scheme (WRS) was
159,000. This compared with 211,000 in the year to December 2007, a fall of 25 per
cent. The latest figures show this fall has continued: in the year to June 2009 the

number of A8 nationals registering via the WRS was 116,000

Who are the A8 countries: -

• Czech Republic
• Estonia
• Hungary
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Poland
• Slovakia
• Slovenia

The point raised about migrant workers, is the belief that they are leaving Britain, whilst for a number this is true, factually, there are still more people coming to Britain than leaving.

One of the compulsary requirements for people to legally work in the UK is the allocation of National Insurance Numbers.
As you can see below, these increased to the year end of MAr 09, another fact to back up the positive net migration of adults to the UK.

jojo1964

Lets face facts, the country is bankrupt, the wealthy will always be insulated because of their wealth, and those on benefits are safe from tax rises, so it leaves the working class to bear the brunt of the increases in indirect taxation needed to get this country out of the situation it is in.

Prediction for next budget.

Increase in NI to 18.5 to 20 %
2p per litre on fuel
Cigarettes up
Car tax up
Personal allowances frozen
Beer duty up.

Then include council tax rises above inflation
Higher food prices due to increased fuel costs
Increased heating and lighting costs

Then add higher interest rates as banks try to claw back their money from bad debts.

Not a rosy picture, but one which seems inevitable.