Noisy Neighbours

RockOnZombies

Hi Always,

yeah totally agree, we can't wait to move, its going to be a house next time preferable detached. Its horrible when you go home and all you can hear is somebody elses racket.

R.O.Z

Tassotti

If you move into a flat, that is what you expect...I remeber living in a 3 story house, converted into flats...The people above could here us turning on the kettle!!

Unfortunate, but you get what you pay for!!!!

olly300

woody01 wrote: »

Neighbour Noise isnt included in those timeframes.

Most flats in England and Wales are leasehold.* (Even if you have share of freehold you normally have a lease.) Lots of leasehold agreements either state a time when you can't make certain noise i.e playing radios, tvs or simply state something you can't annoy your neighbours to cover lots of things.

Most tenancy agreements are written to ensure the tenant complies with the terms of the landlord's lease.

So if you then complain to the council or the management company/freeholder about noisy neighbours they tend not to be interested if you complain about noise such as hearing conversations or music in daylight hours. However they will take action if the noise happens repeatedly in the night. Certain noise such as children playing or babies crying is excluded what ever time of day it occurs.

I should state now I know some environmental health officers who have worked for more than one council, and have had to report one of my own neighbours for noise.

*This is different from a tenancy agreement/contract such as an AST which some people on here insist on calling a lease.

jaffacakes82

woody01 wrote: »

Where did you pluck 11pm from?
There is no law regarding timeof day at all (although many think there is).

Whether its 2am or 2pm, it is a fundemental right to leave in peaceful enjoyment of your property, and the local council/environmental health WILL enforce this.

I didn't "pluck" 11pm from anyway. Like I said in my previous post we've had 3 lots of tenants evicted in a year. As part of all our leasehold argreements in the building we live it states any excessive noise is to cease at 11pm, which can be found in a lot of leasehold argreements if you dig it out and read.

Most councils also operate a post-11pm noise patrol team where complaints are taken more seriously than pre-11pm complaints and we were frequently told by the council to wait until 11pm to give the complaint more back up when/if the landlord/courts get involved.

You'll also find that councils do not accept an everyday complaint (i.e talking) at "2pm" in the afternoon as noise nuisance

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Having had noisy neighbours, I would agree that 11 pm is the cut off time. Be thankful that you are renting and one day you can get away. Hearing talking is ok to cope with and you need to find your own way, starting by chatting with your neighbour. It is very common to have some sort of noise intrusion eg ours was bad all through the night, not incredibly loud but annoying boom boom through music played fairly quietly but close to the party wall in the bedroom. My dh coped by going to sleep with earphones on.

when he moved in next door my dh got incredibly stressed until he found his own solution and yes we did the talking first, it took four sessions but he eventually turned it down. It can still be heard but we can live with it and most of us have to adapt

My advice op is chat to the neighbour and try to get it down by a notch then tick off the days on your calender

phil1873football

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Mediate I would think.

How can you mediate for snoring not as if you can suddenly during your sleep, tell yourself your being too loud and stop.

And anyways, I don't snore as I cant hear myself snore :rotfl:am asleep:rotfl:

Lil_Me_2

RockOnZombies wrote: »

Thanks guys for all the advice will try some of them especially if they start having 'special moments' although they were quite funny at the time.

Thanks Clutton, I was afraid we were kind of stuck unless the LL was nice and we came to some arrangement.

When talking to the neighbours is it best just to go and tap on their door and let them know or write a polite note.

When my bf lived in a flat we used to be occasionally kept awake by the flat upstairs having 'special moments'. Amusingly though the flats have suspended ceilings so the noise was travelling quite a way. We were in hysterics to come home to a note from the flat next door asking us to keep it down! They were very red faced when my bf knocked on the door, note in hand, and said "we thought it was you". We worked out it was a flat upstairs and they also moved out very soon after.

Fire_Fox

phil1873football wrote: »

How can you mediate for snoring not as if you can suddenly during your sleep, tell yourself your being too loud and stop.

And anyways, I don't snore as I cant hear myself snore :rotfl:am asleep:rotfl:

Snoring isn't something that just happens! It can be related to alcohol use, smoking, obesity, allergies, blocked sinuses, sleep apnoea (stopping breathing :eek:) excess flesh on the uvula ....

Therefore Environmental Health might: Ask the snorer to seek medical intervention on behalf of the neighbour? Suggest the neighbour try wax ear plugs (foam are pointless)?

woody01

jaffacakes82 wrote: »

I didn't "pluck" 11pm from anyway. Like I said in my previous post we've had 3 lots of tenants evicted in a year. As part of all our leasehold argreements in the building we live it states any excessive noise is to cease at 11pm, which can be found in a lot of leasehold argreements if you dig it out and read.

Most councils also operate a post-11pm noise patrol team where complaints are taken more seriously than pre-11pm complaints and we were frequently told by the council to wait until 11pm to give the complaint more back up when/if the landlord/courts get involved.

You'll also find that councils do not accept an everyday complaint (i.e talking) at "2pm" in the afternoon as noise nuisance

This has nothing to do with law though. This is just a leasehold agreement.

As for your last statement, i can say with 100% certainty that councils will enforce excessive neighbours noise controls regardless of the time of day.

we were frequently told by the council to wait until 11pm to give the complaint more back up when/if the landlord/courts get involved.

Your council, and the Environmental Health attached to it are therefore not taking their responsibilities seriously then as this is not the case or their guidelines.
Do you live in a place where there is alot of anti social behaviour? If so, this could be the reason why they are not interested at the moment.

hellokitty08

Had very similar problems myself reccently, the guy who was living above me was nightmare, I could hear all his conversations, it sounded liked he stomped very where with concreat boots on and it made me miserable. Combines with the all night parties going on until the next day (7pm-7pm Friday to Sunday sometimes)

Now I did find a good trick for the music one night, (dont condone this) but I did switch his electric off! (just the once)

The thing I didnt get was that I had never had this problem before from other neigbours. He was just a bit ASBO.

Now I have a lovely neigbour who only has loud music until 11pm very occasionally and who I made the effort to introduce myself to as soon as he moved in, so if I had any problems I would feel more comfortable talking to him.

I never hear him talking or his TV. So I guess some people are just naturally more noisy. Although I do think the Letting agent also didnt want me putting in any more complaints, so also got me a neigbour that was more young professional, then ASBO CHAV.

If only I could rent a detached flat! Then i would be truely happy.