Help! I didn't 'notify' for electrical changes!

zax47

H2005 means nothing to me but I have old and new reels of cable of all sizes and none have such a marking on them, it bears no direct relevance to Part P anyway. Part P just dictates you install in compliance with IEE wiring regs, which could use either red/black or brown/blue in 2005. I wouldn't give it another thought, there are thousands of people in your position who did work in the implementation/change-over period. Total number of HOUSEHOLDER prosecutions to date for failing to abide by Part P with respect to electrical installations is 0. (One or two cowboys have been prosecuted, but no householders.)

Read this for more info/detail about Part P and DIY electrical work;

DIY Electrical work and the law.

Just let it lie, no-one but you and your dad know when the work was done.

mariahussain

If you are about to sell the house, the solicitor may or may not pick these works up (depends as some solicitors are clueless). They will carry out a local search on your property. The council will have a record of all electrical notifications on their system (some councils records are not upto date) As this wont be revealed on the searcg then your solicitor may or may not ask you to provide the cert.
The best way you can do this is
1) If the solicitor request this cert, and you cannot provide it. Contact Building Control and you can make a retrospective application (Charges will be applicable) for these works and they will be inspected (by themselves or 3rd party) and a cert issued.

2) If the solicitor has not picked this up, then dont worry about it. :eek:

Hope this helps - i work for building control.

27col

As a retired electrician I am mildly bewildered. If, as has been said, an electrician will not normally certify someone else's work. What happens when the Building Control people do an inspection. It is extremely unlikely that the BC people would be qualified to do the inspection. So they would be employing a third party ( presumably a qualified electrician). This person would be certifying work that he had not done himself. I would be interested to know what system is used by the BC people for retrospective certification.

zax47

mariahussain wrote: »

If you are about to sell the house, the solicitor may or may not pick these works up (depends as some solicitors are clueless). They will carry out a local search on your property. The council will have a record of all electrical notifications on their system (some councils records are not upto date) As this wont be revealed on the searcg then your solicitor may or may not ask you to provide the cert.
The best way you can do this is
1) If the solicitor request this cert, and you cannot provide it. Contact Building Control and you can make a retrospective application (Charges will be applicable) for these works and they will be inspected (by themselves or 3rd party) and a cert issued.

2) If the solicitor has not picked this up, then dont worry about it. :eek:

Hope this helps - i work for building control.

With all due respect, what twaddle (except for item2)), how's the solicitor going to know their was a bathroom re-fit 4 years ago unless he goes and looks? These were fairly minor works, replacement of existing items and only Part P notifiable (from an electrical point of view) as done in a bathroom. No-one, especially a mortgage company surveyor, is going to even begin to notice this work was done let alone consider when this work was done, and certainly not a solicitor! Not as if it was any new build or extension or creation of en-suite which would be obvious.

UNLESS YOU TELL THEM, which there is absolutely NO REASON TO, no-one will know or care!

AdrianW2

zax47 wrote: »

UNLESS YOU TELL THEM

By posting on the internet, for example? I hope the OP followed the forum guidelines and used a pseudonym.

zax47

27col wrote: »

As a retired electrician I am mildly bewildered. If, as has been said, an electrician will not normally certify someone else's work. What happens when the Building Control people do an inspection. It is extremely unlikely that the BC people would be qualified to do the inspection. So they would be employing a third party ( presumably a qualified electrician). This person would be certifying work that he had not done himself. I would be interested to know what system is used by the BC people for retrospective certification.

LABC are the only people who can arrange a 3rd party to do this.

From the link in my previous post;

"Another important point to note is that apart from a Building Inspector, nobody can certify someone else's work as being compliant with the Building Regulations. Unless arranged by or in cooperation with LABC, a 3rd party electrical inspection is of no value in terms of complying with the law."

For those of use registered with a Part P scheme provider (I'm with NAPIT), we are actively discouraged from certifying some-one else's work. Other than n electrician, there are dedicated electrical testing companies who would do the job at LABC's request.

Despite the multitude of tests we can do, there is no way of knowing/finding out everything and ultimately if I sign to say it's safe and it isn't then I'm liable!! Even if I can see both ends of a cable, how do I know that between the two it is run is the safe zones if I didn't run it? Or that there isn't a taped-up choc-block joint plastered into the wall two feet away? If I say it is safe and correct, then you stick a drill through it (where it shouldn't be) and injure yourself then it's my fault!!

zax47

rob_mclellan wrote: »

Fair point, though I would imagine that any surveyor would recommend a further inspection of the electrics as it is clear that it was been done post 2005 due to the wire. Unless I managed to get a sparky to certify the work beforehand and provide a part p certificate?

Do I need to do anything about carrying the work put without notifying building regs?

Thanks

A mortgage company surveyor will have no more than a cursory glance at the electrical system and only recommend further investigation if it seems unsafe, in poor repair or especially old. He isn't doing a PIR, just checking the property is worth what the mortgage company are going to advance against it and it's not going to burn down/fall down!

wallbash

I don't know the 'legal' in and outs

But my understanding after selling a house with no certificates for the ( new and extensive)electrics
and nothing for the new windows :eek:

The solicitor requests all the paperwork :rolleyes: and as the seller you say ... sorry!!
The solicitor than has to inform the buyers with his recommendation, The buyers then
have the choice of whether to proceed.

As most of us agree a lot of the paperwork is only good for bog roll :rotfl:
My sale went ahead,

zax47

wallbash wrote: »

I don't know the 'legal' in and outs

But my understanding after selling a house with no certificates for the ( new and extensive)electrics
and nothing for the new windows :eek:

The solicitor requests all the paperwork :rolleyes: and as the seller you say ... sorry!!
The solicitor than has to inform the buyers with his recommendation, The buyers then
have the choice of whether to proceed.

As most of us agree a lot of the paperwork is only good for bog roll :rotfl:
My sale went ahead,

Agreed, IMO rob is worrying needlessly as these were neither extensive or new works and no-one (not even the mortgage company surveyor) will know or care when they were done!

mariahussain

zax47 wrote: »

With all due respect, what twaddle (except for item2)), how's the solicitor going to know their was a bathroom re-fit 4 years ago unless he goes and looks? These were fairly minor works, replacement of existing items and only Part P notifiable (from an electrical point of view) as done in a bathroom. No-one, especially a mortgage company surveyor, is going to even begin to notice this work was done let alone consider when this work was done, and certainly not a solicitor! Not as if it was any new build or extension or creation of en-suite which would be obvious.

UNLESS YOU TELL THEM, which there is absolutely NO REASON TO, no-one will know or care!

well usually, well my understanding is that when you sell a house a survey is done of the house. on that survey usually these items are picked up. Depends on whether this survey is carried out or not.