Population Explosion, biggest rise in 50 years

1984ReturnsForReal_2

By the way the above with other factors put the population at 64m (that is if you believe the accuracy of 57m reported for 1998).

The only other explanation is people are leaving the country is up 33% & our death rate is up a 3rd on 1998.

Looks like the NHS have become full of Harold Shipmans if 61.4m is to believed.

Of course this excludes the obvious possibility that everyone born outside the UK is superfertial (I did have doubts as to what exactly Severn Trent have been adding to the water over the last decade) & obviously foreigners sh*g a lot more!!

the_ash_and_the_oak

growing population in London should theoretically have led to rises in rents over the last 7 years. this hasn't happened imo

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

growing population in London should theoretically have led to rises in rents over the last 7 years. this hasn't happened imo

This is a variation on one of the more common myths promoted by bears.

The "if there was a shortage, rents would have risen in my area" myth, closely related to the "if there is a shortage, why are there empty houses in my area" myth.

Both have been explained at length.

An imbalance of the existing stock split between rental and owned in any one local area does not prove an overall surplus exists.

However the national housing formation and housebuilding numbers clearly show a shortage exists in the overall market.

By the way, do you have any data to prove that rents in the whole of London have not risen by a penny in the last 7 years?;) I would suspect that they actually have risen, when you look at the hard data and get beyond the anecdotals....

michaels

Firstly I am in no way anti-immigration and in fact think the flow of people in both directions should be eased. However I had in my mind a picture of the UK as having a fairly stable population with those not born in the country making up a small proportion (order of 10%?) and that we were nothing like the US which has always been guilt on assimilating new groups of migrants (as I say a good thing) so the 24.1% figure for babies born to mother's not born in the UK was a real eye-opener.

I am in two minds about posting this as I know certain people will try and use such thoughts in a way that I do not agree with but I just wanted to say it was a 'it makes you think' piece of information.

the_ash_and_the_oak

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

its not as easy to do this with whole flats/house as it it with houseshares, but heres a listing from findaproperty in early 2002

http://web.archive.org/web/20020223112726/www.findaproperty.co.uk/cgi-bin/area.pl?areaid=0256&opt=prop&salerent=1&sp=1 (around 380-550pw for 3 beds. theres a 3 bed apt on leigh rd for 400pw)

and theres another 3 bed apt on the same road for the same price today!

http://www.propertyfinder.com/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=504960795&f=10&p=10&t=ren&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&searchUnderOffer=1&regionid=&tb=&c=29741320&tm=1249639331

(not necessarily the same one of course, or even comparable - tho it is a v short road)

http://details.vebra.com/property/10577/17905378 3 beds 425pw
http://details.vebra.com/property/10577/17012556 3 bed house 445pw

not saying theyre all the same but it shouldnt really be possible to even attempt this if rents were rising

sure its possible to make an argument that increasing population won't lead to equivalent increasing rents - im cool to debate that imo

evidence that rents haven't really risen in London, i'm sure you can find plenty evidence of rising rents, and i'm sure some have risen. but in my own experience not so much (never paid anything much different to when I first moved to London in 2002), and there;s the above stuff. its not so easy to find this stuff as sale prices, but like i say, if rents were rising I shouldn't really be able to find stuff like the above

the_ash_and_the_oak

btw theoretically I do agree that there could be a shortage of houses for sale (or for rent) while there is no overall shortage. but this is not the same thing imo

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8224520.stm

People are feeling the pinch - too poor to go out so they have to make their own entertainment to get through the long dark winters.

97trophy

Generali wrote: »

People are feeling the pinch - too poor to go out so they have to make their own entertainment to get through the long dark winters.

No, these numbers are a result of a rapidly growing Muslim population for whom 3 kids is the average.

Generali

97trophy wrote: »

No, these numbers are a result of a rapidly growing Muslim population for whom 3 kids is the average.

According to The Times (link) the Muslim population of the UK is 2,400,000 or slightly under 4% of the population. They would need to have a lot more than 3 kids to have a big impact on population growth I would think.

Do you have a source to back up your assertion? I'd be interested in any official figures.

leftieM

Fantastic news! I'm training to be a teacher so I'll have no shortage of customers in the future