How big should my pension pot be ?

marklv

I'm tired of your rants, slaphead. I have little sympathy with the moaners and whingers of this world - if you are in a hole it's up to you to lift yourself out of it. I've had to do this enough times!

Old_Slaphead

marklv wrote: »

I'm tired of your rants, slaphead. I have little sympathy with the moaners and whingers of this world - if you are in a hole it's up to you to lift yourself out of it. I've had to do this enough times!

Not very good at arguing your case are you?

As far as I can tell it all boils down to - we were promised it so stuff everbody else.

chewmylegoff

marklv wrote: »

I'm tired of your rants, slaphead. I have little sympathy with the moaners and whingers of this world - if you are in a hole it's up to you to lift yourself out of it. I've had to do this enough times!

i'm tired of public sector workers harping on about how they deserve inflated pension arrangements at no cost to themselves, funded by everyone else, despite the fact that their basic remuneration packages are now in line with the private sector.

it's about time that (a) a mandatory 5% of employee's salary has to be paid into a pension fund, in line with the australian model and (b) public sector final salary pensions are scrapped and replaced with a employer's contribution which matches the employee's contribution.

if public sector employees don't like it they can always go and get themselves a market rate remuneration package in the private sector...

Harry_Powell

marklv wrote: »

I'm tired of your rants, slaphead. I have little sympathy with the moaners and whingers of this world - if you are in a hole it's up to you to lift yourself out of it. I've had to do this enough times!

To be fair, no one's holding a gun to your head making you participate in this debate. If you feel you've said all you can and you're beginning to repeat yourself then simply stop posting (I'm thinking this very same thing).

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However, I would like to go on record and say that while our standpoints might be poles apart, I'm really glad you have contributed so well to the debate (I hope that doesn't sound condescending!). It's good to have input from both sides and while we're not going to affect government policy from our little corner of MSE, it is useful to have a fuller picture of the situation from all angles and therefore a greater understanding when this is eventually played out by the politicians and media.

Cheers mark, and good on yer mate.
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I changed my mind due to the type of comments made by mark in later posts.

marklv

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Not very good at arguing your case are you?

As far as I can tell it all boils down to - we were promised it so stuff everbody else.

I've tried to argue logically but you are too obtuse to see the argument from both sides of the fence. I have accepted that reform is necessary, as I stated before, but people like you want some kind of revenge, not reform. You seem motivated by envy and anger, not by a desire for fairness, so it's pointless arguing with you any longer.

bendix

marklv wrote: »

You seem motivated by envy and anger, not by a desire for fairness, so it's pointless arguing with you any longer.

While i agree with Harry's last post about how you've argued your case, you let youself down with posts like this.

It has EVERYTHING to do with fairness.

A fair and equal pensions playing field for all, not one where private sector pensions rights are decimated, while public sector ones are protected (AND paid for by taxpayers).

It's nothing to do with envy, but you're right, it has everything to do with anger, anger that we're subsidising you and you can't see it.

marklv

bendix wrote: »

While i agree with Harry's last post about how you've argued your case, you let youself down with posts like this.

It has EVERYTHING to do with fairness.

A fair and equal pensions playing field for all, not one where private sector pensions rights are decimated, while public sector ones are protected (AND paid for by taxpayers).

It's nothing to do with envy, but you're right, it has everything to do with anger, anger that we're subsidising you and you can't see it.

More empty rhetoric. Same stupid phrases like 'level playing field', same moaning and groaning, same bitterness, same lack of constructive arguments, same refusal to see things from the opposite point of view. You are a brick wall and nobody can argue with a wall. Goodbye.

Old_Slaphead

marklv wrote: »

I've tried to argue logically but you are too obtuse to see the argument from both sides of the fence. I have accepted that reform is necessary, as I stated before, but people like you want some kind of revenge, not reform. You seem motivated by envy and anger, not by a desire for fairness, so it's pointless arguing with you any longer.

I am very angry about the way Brown has raped private pensions and left public schemes virtually untouched.
I've no objection to public sector schemes staying as now but Brown's got to offer massive tax subsidies to the private sector to ensure similar benefits are available to all.

Envy - not really. My partner benefits from the generous public sector scheme. Anyway, I won't be paying for it, future generations will.

I don't want "revenge" - merely a fair and equitable solution going forward and that should include existing and not just new scheme members (and lets face it, there's hardly likely to be many of those over the next few years).

ps what constructive comments have you offered so far?

bendix

marklv wrote: »

More empty rhetoric. Same stupid phrases like 'level playing field', same moaning and groaning, same bitterness, same lack of constructive arguments, same refusal to see things from the opposite point of view. You are a brick wall and nobody can argue with a wall. Goodbye.

Hahaha . .you wish.

Mate, despite me paying for your retirement for your half-arsed middle manager role in some poxy government office, I'll be retired on a beach in Thailand in four years, despite being only a couple of years older than you.

I shall raise a glass to you then . . . Goodbye

marklv

bendix wrote: »

Hahaha . .you wish.

Mate, despite me paying for your retirement for your half-arsed middle manager role in some poxy government office, I'll be retired on a beach in Thailand in four years, despite being only a couple of years older than you.

I shall raise a glass to you then . . . Goodbye

Well, that says it all doesn't it? :rotfl:It proves that you are just a clown and a troll.