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Marty_J wrote: »

Did you ever stop to think that it's maybe because people really like Apple products, and its particularly galling to be lectured about them by someone who has never even used them?

I'm sure you'd have a thing or two to say to someone with no experience using it, advising that Linux is hard to use, difficult to configure, and has hardly any programs for it, so everyone should stick to Windows.

I'm sure people do like apple products. However if dont want to hear about it everytime someone mentions something else. And fanboys have a tendecy to do this... a lot even when not relevant.

It doesn't bother me at all but I do like a argument, sorry discussion.

That's the thing though; why do there have to be comments putting down Apple products every time they're mentioned? Replace the word "Apple" with "Dell", "HP" or "Sony" (three manufacturers who make just as expensive, less well spec'd versions of Apple products) in any of these missives, and the results look quite incongruous.

And as if to prove my point its a prime example of the pig headedness of an apple fanboy. Ever consider that sony hp and dell are making versions of sony, hp and dell products????? Probably not mainly cos everything that isnt apple wants to be apple... right:rolleyes:

cmatt360

i quite like the vaio designs... very mac like....

what about those of us that HAVE to use mac's cos our boss shelled out stupid amount on final cut pro

Scrilla

Leopard wrote: »

Otherwise, some lazy cow with a distasteful avatar depicting her nascent pension-supplement provider will start another one. :eek:

Am I right to say this is a reference to me? There is so little in that sentence that I can relate to, that it took me a second read to decipher your... how would you put it... "peevish harangues".

It's like having a horny kitten follow you around. Would you like a mouse?

Leopard wrote: »

I'm always being told that 95% of people burden themselves with Windows machines instead of Macs.

Although Apple only have about 5% of the PC market, they take, IIRC, about 25% of the US computer industry profit. The same can't be said about the ratio of people who own a spare battery and those who don't. Thus it makes business sense to do what Apple have done. The same can be said about expresscards since the majority of expresscard users put in a card reader anyhow.

I am in the minority with regards to expresscards and sealed in batteries, but I think it is a positive move. It moves prices lower. With the availability of firewire and USB devices which can provide similar operation to expresscard devices (which are also more affordable), such needs of the minority are already accommodated for.

Leopard wrote: »

I've just spent an amusing break for coffee imagining the expressions likely to be produced on a number of Her Majesty's most senior judiciary if, upon having been summoned to their chambers, one produced a 17" ProBook and an iPhone and asked if one might re-charge them.

Very ostentatious! You must have personal experience of such a scenario to conjure up such an atypical situation. If you do have such experience, I envy you. You endeavor to present yourself as an discerning individual, yet your point is illustrated by a situation within which only a minority of people will ever be privileged to experience. An intelligent individual such as yourself will surely recognise your argument would hold much more weight if you chose a more appropriate scenario.

[facebook]I've just spent an amusing break for coffee imagining the expressions likely to be produced on a number of Her Majesty's most senior judiciary if, upon having been summoned to their chambers, one produced a laptop and asked if proceedings could be halted while one might change their battery.[/facebook]

If this was 10 years ago, then I would agree a request for a three-pronged take-out would be frowned upon. As it turns out, today's more tech tolerant world has a much more understanding attitude towards such requests and indeed accommodates for such eventualities. Judging from your posts, you must operate in a proactive environment. Such an establishment must surely understand how a 12 hour work day can be detrimental to one's battery health? I don't know about you, but my older laptop with it's three hour batteries, would never survive a full day at a conference if it were not for a wall socket. I would be interested to find out what model laptop you have that does survive a "12- hour day" on 2 batteries.

Leopard wrote: »

I'd love to see anyone actually get 8 hours uptime between charges on a 17" MacBook Pro. Particularly if they use its DVD drive. :rolleyes:

Personal experience of this sealed in battery machine is impressive. "Office tasks" can be worked on for the best part of 7 hours without recharging - and even then it is only just in the red. Windows manages 5 hours before dipping to about 10% which I think is silly good in comparison with past machines (giving me about 3 hours of light work) given the poor quality of Apple's energy management drivers in Boot Camp. I had the opportunity to do some FCP sequencing recently and my machine worked comfortably for 5 hours before going red. I have been confident so far of working for an hour while the battery is in the red before feeling the need to plug in, type of work dependent of course. Given the availability of the wall socket, I haven't been involved in a scenario where my laptop has let me down so far. Time will tell if Adaptive Charging will ensure the battery holds up to it's marketed long lifespan.

If a portable external charger/supply were available, perhaps something that utilises the MagSafe connector, I would get one as you can never be too safe. I'm sure there are patent/licensing issues.

With regard to the iPhone, I do wish the battery was replaceable. It's battery life is simply inadequate under heavy use. But bolt on products are available to address this which are no more bulky than the combination of a case and an extra battery. A phone is a phone, thus I do not carry such a product to add to the bulk - form factor being a selling point of the iPhone. I know of no other similar functioning phone, which does not require a nightly recharge, assuming of course it is used for more than the odd text message. I simply limit my usage to non frivolous apps to ensure it serves it's purpose during work. The OPs mileage may vary.

Leopard

Scrilla wrote: »

Am I right to say this is a reference to me? There is so little in that sentence that I can relate to, that it took me a second read to decipher your... how would you put it... "peevish harangues".

:rotfl:

No!

:rotfl:

Once again, your undisciplined predisposition to incorrect presumption and your gargantuan sense of self-importance has led you to bark up the wrong tree and make a public fool of yourself.

No, Empress Scrilla, traumatic though it might be to your ego, I was not referring to you; I was referring to somebody else. I was replying to Marty J and he would have known whom I did mean because he was following that thread, too, at the time. And Marty J, unlike you, is intelligent. (Indeed, he is very highly so.) He's literate, too; which helps.

I've no idea why you should regard your own avatar as complying with the description "a nascent pension-supplement provider". Yours depicts a vain, haughty and narcissistic adult woman and - ideally though that suits you - there is no element of nascency in it.

But it's nice to know that you identify with the phrase "lazy cow". :rotfl:

All of which makes your following comment look even sillier.

It's like having a horny kitten follow you around. Would you like a mouse?

We have about a dozen mice, actually, most of them Bluetooth. And a cat. So I have no need to avail myself of your generous offer, ribald though it be.

Although Apple only have about 5% of the PC market, they take, IIRC, about 25% of the US computer industry profit.

If even Apple calls Windows-limited computers "PCs", it is not clear what you mean by the phrase "Apple only have 5% of the PC market" but my understanding (which may be wrong) is that Apple now holds about 8% of the computer market. And a lot more than that of the laptop market.

But, if you take the unaccustomed step of reading the parts of what I wrote that you do not perceive to be about yourself before commenting on them, you will observe that the 5% figure to which I referred related to what other people keep telling me and not what I was averring myself.

The same can't be said about the ratio of people who own a spare battery and those who don't.

How do you know what percentage of people own a spare battery for their laptop? How does even Apple know? If I buy a new battery from Apple, how does Apple know whether I am buying it to use as a spare or to replace one that has died from misuse? And the same applies to batteries that are sold on eBay by people who have damaged irreparably the laptop that previously it had served.

Thus it makes business sense to do what Apple have done. The same can be said about expresscards since the majority of expresscard users put in a card reader anyhow.

Again, how do you (or Apple) know what owners of Macs with an ExpressCard port use it for? I know that Apple has never asked me what I use mine for. And nor, so far as I am aware, have you.

I am in the minority with regards to expresscards and sealed in batteries, but I think it is a positive move. It moves prices lower.

If, as you claim (probably correctly), you are in a minority with regard to your views on ExpressCards and sealed-in batteries, then Apple has made the wrong decision, not the right decision, about the provision of them.

I, for one, would never buy a 15" laptop that had neither an ExpressCard nor a CardBus port.

So, for a penny-pinching £20 (?) saving in manufacture they lose the sale of a £1,500 computer? And you think that's wise?

With the availability of firewire...

Not on 13" unibody MacBooks, for a while: another marketing mistake that Apple made and then had to rectify.

...and USB devices which can provide similar operation to expresscard devices (which are also more affordable), such needs of the minority are already accommodated for.

Oh yeah? Show me a Firewire or USB device that provides an eSATA connection (certainly at SATA speed) for a MacBook - which an ExpressCard device can. And even if you think the provision of an SD card slot, instead, provides for the needs of those who use their ExpressCard port for a card reader, how does an SD card port accommodate the needs of those whose cards are in a format other than SD (ComplactFlash, for example)?

Very ostentatious! You must have personal experience of such a scenario to conjure up such an atypical situation. If you do have such experience, I envy you. You endeavor to present yourself as an discerning individual, yet your point is illustrated by a situation within which only a minority of people will ever be privileged to experience. An intelligent individual such as yourself will surely recognise your argument would hold much more weight if you chose a more appropriate scenario.

I don't endeavour to present myself as anything - except perhaps as capable of constructing a sentence in coherent English. I would have thought it was searingly obvious from what I write that I am titanically unconcerned about what image anyone on here forms of me. Why would I be?

And, to address precisely the point you make, I gave, immediately, an alternative and more populist scenario. Read what I wrote.

[facebook]I've just spent an amusing break for coffee imagining the expressions likely to be produced on a number of Her Majesty's most senior judiciary if, upon having been summoned to their chambers, one produced a laptop and asked if proceedings could be halted while one might change their battery.[/facebook]

Eh? Facebook? What's that bit all about? :huh:

If this was 10 years ago, then I would agree a request for a three-pronged take-out would be frowned upon. As it turns out, today's more tech tolerant world has a much more understanding attitude towards such requests and indeed accommodates for such eventualities. Judging from your posts, you must operate in a proactive environment.

I operate in an environment in which people are expected to conduct themselves professionally. And do.

Such an establishment..

Establishment?

... must surely understand how a 12 hour work day can be detrimental to one's battery health? I don't know about you...

No, you don't. You know absolutely nothing about me but it never stops you leaping to unfounded assumptions about me (or about anything else, come to that).

...but my older laptop with it's three hour batteries, would never survive a full day at a conference if it were not for a wall socket. I would be interested to find out what model laptop you have that does survive a "12- hour day" on 2 batteries.

A June 2007 Santa Rosa 15.4" 2.4 GHz Apple MacBook Pro, fully-charged and with two, spare, fully-charged batteries. That is the whole point about batteries that aren't sealed-in: you can carry as many as you need.

Personal experience of this sealed in battery machine is impressive. "Office tasks" can be worked on for the best part of 7 hours without recharging - and even then it is only just in the red. Windows manages 5 hours before dipping to about 10% which I think is silly good...

Silly good?

...in comparison with past machines (giving me about 3 hours of light work) given the poor quality of Apple's energy management drivers in Boot Camp. I had the opportunity to do some FCP sequencing recently and my machine worked comfortably for 5 hours before going red. I have been confident so far of working for an hour while the battery is in the red before feeling the need to plug in, type of work dependent of course. Given the availability of the wall socket, I haven't been involved in a scenario where my laptop has let me down so far.

So far what?

Time will tell if Adaptive Charging will ensure the battery holds up to it's marketed long lifespan.

If a portable external charger/supply were available, perhaps something that utilises the MagSafe connector, I would get one as you can never be too safe. I'm sure there are patent/licensing issues.

With regard to the iPhone, I do wish the battery was replaceable. It's battery life is simply inadequate under heavy use. But bolt on products are available to address this which are no more bulky than the combination of a case and an extra battery. A phone is a phone, thus I do not carry such a product to add to the bulk - form factor being a selling point of the iPhone. I know of no other similar functioning phone, which does not require a nightly recharge, assuming of course it is used for more than the odd text message. I simply limit my usage to non frivolous apps to ensure it serves it's purpose during work. The OPs mileage may vary.

Lady, you may (as you say) envy me, but I pity your pupils: for a self-proclaimed teacher in secondary education your English is appalling.

Even if you do regard yourself as being a "lazy cow". :rotfl:

Leopard

:coffee:

Cat got your tongue?

Scrilla

Leopard wrote: »

Once again, your undisciplined predisposition to incorrect presumption and your gargantuan sense of self-importance has led you to bark up the wrong tree and make a public fool of yourself.

I owe you an apology. I initially thought nothing of it until I read a couple of other posts by yourself referring to my signature. It appeared you had a fixation with my posts and upon consideration, it occurred to me your reference to someone "starting another one" due to going off-topic could have been myself (given our contributions to a previous topic). I apologise for accusing you of insulting me, despite the context in which I placed your words.

Leopard wrote: »

I've no idea why you should regard your own avatar as complying with the description "a nascent pension-supplement provider". Yours depicts a vain, haughty and narcissistic adult woman and - ideally though that suits you - there is no element of nascency in it.

But it's nice to know that you identify with the phrase "lazy cow". :rotfl:

As you would identify in your own pedantic way, at what point in my post was it stated that I related to those particular images/terms you used? I didn't know what what "pension-supplement provider" you were referring to (so I did not know if my avatar was what you were referring to), I had to look up the word "nascent" and I do not relate with "lazy cow", hence my question asking if you were referring to me. The only other item I identified with, which made me think you were referring to me, was your assertion that I am female in posts past and present.

Leopard wrote: »

If even Apple calls Windows-limited computers "PCs", it is not clear what you mean by the phrase "Apple only have 5% of the PC market" but my understanding (which may be wrong) is that Apple now holds about 8% of the computer market.

Indeed the usage of "PC" still carries with it ambiguity. You understood it fine though, else why would you have put forward your own understanding of Apple's current computer market share and your clarification of where your 5% figure came from? I stand in awe of your mastery of the English language, which gives you the ability to understand and comment about an individual's apparent poor English whilst still allowing you to complain about how unclear it's meaning is.

Leopard wrote: »

... you will observe that the 5% figure to which I referred related to what other people keep telling me and not what I was averring myself.

While we are on the 5% figure, did I say you were the one who came up with the 5% figure? Was there any need for this clarification?

Leopard wrote: »

I'm always being told that 95% of people burden themselves with Windows machines instead of Macs.

Seems obvious to me where the 5% figure came from. Habitual tautology? (There's another word I learnt from you, tautology.)

Leopard wrote: »

How do you know what percentage of people own a spare battery for their laptop?

I read it. Oh, hang on. There was also... . Hmm, now where was that...

Marty_J wrote: »

Nope. And here's why.

Fewer than 5% of laptop users own a spare battery...

Didn't look very far did you Leopard? Especially since you were involved in the discussion related to battery life in this topic.

Leopard wrote: »

Again, how do you (or Apple) know what owners of Macs with an ExpressCard port use it for?

I recall a particular piece by the Apple PR machine with their director of portables (who's name escapes me) commenting about their reasons for dropping the expresscard. A quick google has given me this as one example, addressing also the choice of an SD card slot. Ah, and Todd Benjamin is the director. How do Apple know? I would presume a company like Apple would conduct research of some sort. An assumption (*gasp*)! It's simply business-sense. I thought that much was obvious.

Leopard wrote: »

I know that Apple has never asked me what I use mine for.

Diddums.

Oh, you referred to yourself 1, 2, 3... 4 times in one sentence. Aw, you must be vain, you vain person you.

We could argue about the validity of such research (including why the sample size has not included you) till the sun rises, but it is obviously better for a company to make informed decisions as opposed to arbitrary ones. Whether we agree with their decisions is a different matter. Oh, I am a-s-s-u-m-i-n-g you are in the UK else my metaphor won't work as intended.

Leopard wrote: »

If, as you claim (probably correctly), you are in a minority with regard to your views on ExpressCards ...

Views? I was talking about my views? No. I was talking about usage. I spoke about users who own a spare battery and those who don't. I spoke about the majority of expressCard users. I then spoke about the needs of the minority, i.e. I spoke about users. Where in there do I say it is my opinion which is in the minority? Where in those two paragraphs is there even a implication I am providing an opinion? I am in the minority of... users. Are you going to assert it is my English at fault again? Or am I presuming too much?

Leopard wrote: »

Show me a Firewire or USB device that provides an eSATA connection (certainly at SATA speed)...

Hmm, "SATA speed". I still maintain it makes good business sense for Apple to do what they have done, but I am no longer certain it was the best move. I always thought, if you absolutely needed an Expresscard port, you'd get a 17". But why would you sacrifice portability? Even the graphics and motion professionals who value screen real estate appear to value portability in a laptop. As a "pro" machine, perhaps the omission of the ExpressCard port is not such a good idea - 10% of Apple's laptop sales is a lot of business. I will have to reconsider my opinion on this one. Oh, I should probably replace "you" with "one", provide citations so on and so forth. Hey-ho.

Apple has been successful by limiting choice, whereas business school would teach us diversity. People will vote with their feet, as it were, and we will see if their lack of choice still works for their business.

Leopard wrote: »

... I am titanically unconcerned about what image anyone on here forms of me.

Then why do you retaliate when members of this forum respond to some of your more raucous comments? You appear to defend yourself by going on the offensive, to try and change the context so it is them who is at fault and not yourself.

Leopard wrote: »

Eh? Facebook? What's that bit all about? :huh:

There's a type of Facebook user. Someone who's comments always seem to lifestyle-drop (akin to name-dropping). They will hint at something that has happened, that they have done which will have little or no relation to anything said. They would give you examples specifically designed to imply they have experienced something no one else has. It tends to have an air of "look at me, I'm great", narcissistic. You have that air about you. Your posts give the impression that you are concerned of the image you portray and actively try to present that image.

I would like to know if the scenario with "Her Majesty's most senior judicary" is one in which you have experienced. You did not confirm nor deny that particular scenario. Have you been in such a scenario as you described? I would like to know if I should be envious of you and it would offer an insight into what your own experiences, without appearing narcissistic.

Leopard wrote: »

And, to address precisely the point you make, I gave, immediately, an alternative and more populist scenario. Read what I wrote.

I certainly did read what you wrote. You miss the point. Very few people will experience such a scenario, so it would be less worthwhile to accommodate for people who regularly are involved in such a situation. If you chose a more commonplace and typical scenario, it would have supported your argument with greater effect.

Bobby needs to cross a river. He swims everyday, but he would like a bridge built there to make his journey easier. He is the only one who crosses at that point.
Further downstream, 100 members of a village swim across the same river just like Bobby, but at a different place. They would like a bridge there to make their journey easier.
Who would you build a bridge for?

Leopard wrote: »

I operate in an environment in which people are expected to conduct themselves professionally. And do.

What is your profession? I won't consider your answer boastful as, when one answers a question straight-up, it's not considered such. My guesses would be your work relates to Law or something involving A/V.

Leopard wrote: »

Establishment?

Organisation, workplace...

Leopard wrote: »

No, you don't. You know absolutely nothing about me but it never stops you leaping to unfounded assumptions about me (or about anything else, come to that).

I guess that is what "I don't know about you" means. I obviously needed that pointing out to me. Everyone makes assumptions. You included and you're just as guilty as the likes of myself.

Leopard wrote: »

batteries that aren't sealed-in: you can carry as many as you need.

Thank you. I have the 2.2 GHz version of that machine. I do recall from somewhere you did mention you had two spare. Our experiences differ then. I used to have three batteries (in total) when I first bought the machine and it didn't work out. Changing batteries with significant charge left during breaks, so it would survive the next session and so forth meant for me there would be three batteries all with decent running time left, but non of which would survive some of the later sessions without a recharge. Swapping batteries partway through a meeting/presentation/workshop was certainly considered unprofessional. This lead to myself inquiring about powering my laptop. I've not encountered a situation where using the wall socket is considered unprofessional in jobs past or present. As stated, I do wish there was some way to supplement the battery in the newer machines. The concept of a user replaceable battery is certainly not lost on me.

Leopard wrote: »

Silly good?

Teenage slang I guess. Bad is good. Sick is apparently good as well. Silly good is very good.

Leopard wrote: »

So far what?

I think "thus far" would be more appropriate. I'm still learning.

Leopard wrote: »

your English is appalling.

I am thankful for spell checkers while typing. Grammar checkers, I hate and I refuse to use. I realize my use of English is by no means perfect. I can accept that. I am grateful for those who can spare the time to correct my use of English. The language is changing all the time. And I am still learning.

Leopard wrote: »

Cat got your tongue?

Some weeks ago, you observed my post count was low. You will also have observed my join date. You will likely have come to the conclusion that I am an infrequent visiter to these forums. Or perhaps that I am a frequent visiter, but doesn't post much - a lurker. I am the former. Apologies for not being able to reply sooner, will do better to not keep you anxiously waiting.

Final note, in more than a word, with no sarcasm: Thank you, I actually enjoyed that. It's made me smile. And laugh.

Darren09

3GS is the best one to go for if you have use for the additional speed and benefits.

patman99

Can someone please remove all the Mac v. Windows and similar postings?, It makes this thread long and tedious, rather than answering the o/p.
If people want to start 'Apple v the world' debates, i'm sure there are more appropriate websites far away from here.

diable

What about HTC v Apple?

Leopard

Scrilla,

Scrilla wrote: »

Final note, in more than a word, with no sarcasm: Thank you, I actually enjoyed that. It's made me smile. And laugh.

Pleased to hear it: I hoped it would.

Your apology is gracious (well, almost ) and I respect you for tendering it.

I'd better not address any of the further points you raise here because the pedants are getting restless. :rolleyes:

patman99 wrote: »

Can someone please remove all the Mac v. Windows and similar postings?, It makes this thread long and tedious, rather than answering the o/p.
If people want to start 'Apple v the world' debates, i'm sure there are more appropriate websites far away from here.

patman99,

The OP's query was answered comprehensively in the first reply.

Nor are there any "Mac v Windows postings" in this thread for anyone to remove anyway.

Last, but not least, this thread should not have been started here in the first place.

If you want to discuss the bloody iPhone, go and do it in Mobile Phones sub-forum. Indeed, feel free to start your own thread there about it. It's a 'PHONE and it's called a 'phone. Which makes that the appropriate place to debate the wretched thing and it isn't very far away from here at all.

It is a long-standing, popular and honourable tradition in this particular sub-forum - thanks to its enlightened Board Guides - that, once the OP's question has been answered, people sometimes indulge in a little light banter on the tail of the threads.

Such innocent amusement is what keeps it alive and attracts intelligent people to this sub-forum. It would otherwise be deterrently dire if all that readers could find here was endless turgid threads about why their Windows won't work and misplaced items about inadequately-specced, plastic mobile 'phones.

It's worth pointing out that your own, single, attempt (at Posting #22) to pontificate on the iPhone was so misleading to the OP and everyone else that it had to be corrected - not least by me (at Posting #25). And, unlike Scrilla, whose musings here you resent to the degree of seeking to have them expunged, you have not had the courage and courtesy to apologise for your errors. If anything should be excised from this thread it should be your own misinformation.