Car accident on mini roundabout

cdrgold

DaveF327 wrote: »

Not true; you could have stopped.

No, it applies to everybody equally. Perhaps it would make more sense if I posted the whole thing:

So even if the other driver caused a danger by not avoiding you (which you can claim, by all means) the fact remains that you didn't give way to the vehicle from the right. There is no requirement to give way to the left.

If i had stopped i would have been sat right in his path (maybe not so if i had know he was intending to fly over the roundabout). Im still very uncertain about this as the insurance have said 50/50, some people have taken my view that it is their fault as they went into me when i had been on the roundabout some time before them. And you guys are saying its mine. Im using public transport from now on!

DaveF327

If it was a normal T juntion then yes i rekon i would be to blame but the whole fact its a roundabout which i was already on? The highway code says that they should be treated like a normal roundabout, so if someone enters the roundabout and crashes into the back of someone they could say that they had pulled out on them even though they were happily on their way on the roundabout long before this car came along? Just because its a mini roundabout i dont think it gives people the right to all of a sudden plow through traffic that is there.

Which again begs the question why you were on the roundabout in the first place when the traffic from the right had priority and barely time to react, judging by every extra bit of evidence posted here.

cdrgold wrote: »

I still cant see how i am to blame one bit.

Regrettably, this is the whole problem with driving today. Good drivers recognise their errors, learn from them, then go on to develop themselves into even better drivers. Other drivers always blame everybody else, then go on to do the same thing time and time again.

"Springer's final thought": By all means let the insurance wade through it all. Maybe it'll be 50/50, maybe it'll be another ratio. Whatever happens, we've all learned a few things about speed and risk, judgement and priority. Maybe I'll be more cautious at mini-roundabouts too, but when I do see the moving car thundering towards me, I'll sure as hell stop. That way, when the moving vehicle hits the stationary vehicle, it's 100/0 in the stationary vehicle's favour.

Rikki

The driver coming onto the roundabout would be looking to his right to see that he was clear to negotiate the mini roundabout. His way was clear, he would not be expecting you to pull out onto the roundabout.

If it was a T-junction you wouldn't have pulled out. This would be because you would have caused the other car to slow down.

It is sometimes difficult to judge another cars speed and you should err on the side of caution and wait a little longer.

cdrgold

haha noo thats not me. Helpful to read though. Well i had the obstruction and he was travelling at speed. Just the whole issue about them watching out for other road users on the roundabout

dacouch

Unfortunately your view does not count for much, your Insurance Company can settle the claim how they want so if its cheaper for them to accept 50 50 or that its your fault or spend money to argue that its their fault then that is what they will do

cdrgold

Im sorry Dave but i think you are failing to see both sides here. You have this image in your head of a car pulling out at the last second on a car approaching from the right. The car had plenty of time to react as i have been stressing that i was on the roundabout for a significant amount of time before they hit. Also they were travelling up a clear straight road so they should of seen that a car was pulling onto the round about from a blind exit.

goldspanners

cdrgold wrote: »

As i said there was a wall to the right so you have to pull out slowly to see if there is anything coming. Maybe if you saw all the pictures of the roundabout in question and the place of impact you would understand where i am coming from

it probably would help us to understand.
but surely once you had commited to going on to the roundabout after you decided it was clear and safe to do so you should have got the foot down a bit quicker to help get off the roundabout as quickly and as safely as possible to avoid this situation.

when you got onto the roundabout did you not see him coming from your right?
or were you just looking whcih ever way you were pointed?

cdrgold

when i was on the roundabout i could see him coming and as i started making the turn i could still see him coming at same speed (at this point i thought to myself "S*** hes trying to hit me!"

Premier_2

cdrgold wrote: »

Im sorry Dave but i think you are failing to see both sides here. You have this image in your head of a car pulling out at the last second on a car approaching from the right. The car had plenty of time to react as i have been stressing that i was on the roundabout for a significant amount of time before they hit. Also they were travelling up a clear straight road so they should of seen that a car was pulling onto the round about from a blind exit.

As previously mentioned, at 30mph the other car which was 140 feet away according to you had only 3 seconds to impact.

If, as you and your witness allege, the other car was going at 50mph, that time to impact would have been reduced to 2 seconds. Infact, with a minimum overall stopping distance of 175 feet when travelling at 50mph, impact would have been almost unavoidable based on what you have said.

If there was evidence to suggest the other driver was driving without due care or worse, then the police would have acted.
Fortunately for you, they didn't see reason to question your driving either, hence why I feel a 50/50 outcome is probable.

movingforward2010

cdrgold wrote: »

when i was on the roundabout i could see him coming and as i started making the turn i could still see him coming at same speed (at this point i thought to myself "S*** hes trying to hit me!"

why on earth would he do that?

i take it as the police were called he/yourself weren't drunk and all documents were in order?

out of curiosity what cars were you both driving?