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mumoftwins

dmg24 wrote: »

So to summarise the past seven pages:

* Nobody really knows what the ultimate effect of these suggested reforms will be
* Nobody has any evidence that AA and DLA will be scrapped

BenefitsandWork still not scaremongering?

They aren't scaremongering dmg, not when it is on this website too:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publications...ance/DH_102338

Danny_G

purplecatlover wrote: »

they have had over 5000 people sign up to the campaign in the first 24 hours.....

What if Loads and loads more people Sign up to the campaign, can these people all challenge the greenpaper decision to cut AA + DLA?

Is that how it works? You have a chance to legally campaign with 1000s of people, and can use it legally to challenge them and make them NOT change the rules?

or can it be a campaign, even if there are 1,000,000 signups nothing can be done as it is going to maybe be bought in as law?

How does it work, the campaign procedure of things? can it all be stopped?

alwaysonthego_2

mumoftwins wrote: »

They aren't scaremongering dmg, not when it is on this website too:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publications...ance/DH_102338

That is the greenpaper, I think what dmg means is that the benefits and work are adding their own slant to it possibly panicking people.

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dmg24 wrote: »

So to summarise the past seven pages:

* Nobody really knows what the ultimate effect of these suggested reforms will be
* Nobody has any evidence that AA and DLA will be scrapped

BenefitsandWork still not scaremongering?

I agree that everything being said about DLA is conjecture,however the more and more I read about the greenpaper the more i`m convinced that AA will be directly affected,and as sure as eggs are eggs it seems to follow that DLA may well follow.Personally I dont think B&W are scaremongering more like encouraging disabled people to become involved in the evolution of policy BEFORE it become law and nothing can be done.
In the 4 years I have followed B&W as a member and more recently as someone who listens to what they have to say I have never known them to try and scare anyone.

Danny_G

CHECK THESE DOCUMENTS, they have more details on this new care system:

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publications...ance/DH_102338

Would this affect just the care eliment of dla and not the mobility part?

One document states indirectly that Disability Money to be merged in with care services, it says.

Does that mean the money will not be given to the claiment, but to the care services-companies instead? (so the money will bypass the individual so that they dont get it) ?

spikeysoul

The green paper is a consultation - it's out chance to get our ideas, conclusions and objections to this proposal taken into account before any white paper (that could become law) is drawn up.

There is a named threat to AA and an implicit threat to DLA care component only in the proposals as I have read them.

If this is scaremongering then at least it is forming part of the debate already - as it is important to have what is going to happen clarified. I'd rather fight for something not to happen than let it slide past because we didn't take enough notice and thought it was all hype and not worth making the effort.

As far as I can tell AA would no longer exist, the budget that would have gone to AA will go to a grant funded means tested system run by social services. Social services will make asseements of care needs based on 'national criteria' and award on that basis. If the 'right to control' comes into practice at the same time it is possible that you would have control of your own grant monies to spend within the remit of a care plan as you want (but SS still negotiates what the care plan is and so still has some say in what you can spend it on).

There is no guarentee of what any of this would entail - to me it seems we are being asked to debate how to fund something to do with care - how that care will relate to any given individual is anyones guess. To be asked to give up AA or DLA care to a new system that we don't know what care needs will be taken into account or what kind of funding and in what way you can spend it is just impossible. Right now there is at least a definate distinct way everyone gets DLA and AA and an autonomy about the way it can be used.

It may benefit people - but why take the chance it won't without engaging in the debate and getting some answers and guarentees from government that disabled people won't be worse off.

For instance right now we (under 65) are told we don't get the winter fuel allowance because that is what DLA is for. How are they going to replace that, is everyone going to be eligable either for the winter fuel payment, a certain ammount of grant towards heating - or is DLA really safe?

I havn't given an AA example because I am well under 65 and do not understand it well - but I wouldn't want it to disappear and leave a less adequate system in it's wake. I do not want to see anyone worse off (it's hard enough having care needs as it is) I want to know this will work in practice before we give up what we already have.

Danny_G

Gud post spikeysoul

Would AA people have to do a New application form for this new system?

Would DLA people have to do a new application for this new system?

Even if you are on highest rate of both components, would they consider that and take it into account??

or treat your new application from scratch ?

spikeysoul

Thank You - I should point out I'm just a claiment - no specialist knowledge (bar navigating this system for about 3 years)

I think the nearest example I can think of presently is the ESA system - I would have thought it would make sense to start new claiments with the new system. Then there would be a choice to either keep two separate systems running alongside each other. Or as people came up for renewal 'port' them across - with the new system that would mean a totally new assesment by SS probably under totally different criteria for old claiments.

For quite some time with ESA they said they would have both systems running at the same time. Then they decided it would be too expensive to do so now at some point in the future we are being 'ported' across under new criteria to a new benefit that often will be less money (So they will just not adjust the money you get until rates meet)

It's another no one knows i'm afraid.

I_know_my_ABC_and_my_CMYK

dmg24 wrote: »

So to summarise the past seven pages:

* Nobody really knows what the ultimate effect of these suggested reforms will be
* Nobody has any evidence that AA and DLA will be scrapped

BenefitsandWork still not scaremongering?

Personally I for one hope it is scaremongering. My father is on AA and also has carers coming in 4 times a day, but he has to top this up with his AA, without it he wouldn't be able to afford 4 visits a day.

government_slave

I have a quick question. I read the links but couldnt see it mentioned. [unless of course i missed it].

IF the greenpaper goes through what happens to people who been awarded a 'life' [indefinate] award for DLA? My son was awarded both when he was 16 yrd old. He was assessed as needing 24/7 care for the rest of his life.