JSA - Refusing job on moral grounds.

raphaelangelo

Sorry, far too off-topic. Thank you all for your comments and for the information. Its been enlightening and, as I said, I am sure that my sis will be back working her socks off very soon.

Again, thank you all.

Goodnight.

bungle4x4

nope:beer:

Debt_Free_Chick

Adereterial wrote: »

The OPs sister has every right to choose what type of work she wants to do.

She does. But refusing to take a job that she is qualified to do, may mean that she loses her JSA.

To keep her JSA, she has to have valid grounds for refusing the job. And "moral" grounds do not count.

jamespir

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

She does. But refusing to take a job that she is qualified to do, may mean that she loses her JSA.

To keep her JSA, she has to have valid grounds for refusing the job. And "moral" grounds do not count.

surley the fact this women has had or has cancer gives her enough valid reasons not to work if i was the goverment id much rather give the money to her than this druggies and winos who juts waste the money

dmg24

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

She does. But refusing to take a job that she is qualified to do, may mean that she loses her JSA.

To keep her JSA, she has to have valid grounds for refusing the job. And "moral" grounds do not count.

I think this is the key issue here. If she has chosen 'working with animals' as one of her preferred areas, then to refuse a position in this area could raise questions.

Moral grounds can be good reason for refusing a job, but they have to be pretty solid. For instance, if someone only turned vegetarian last week this would not be a good enough reason for not working with meat.

jamespir wrote: »

surley the fact this women has had or has cancer gives her enough valid reasons not to work if i was the goverment id much rather give the money to her than this druggies and winos who juts waste the money

It is not up to you who the govt gives money to. Whilst cancer is a terrible and potentially life threatening condition, there are (thankfully) many who are able to work even whilst they are receiving treatment. Therefore your idea of giving everybody who has or has had cancer a free passport to benefits is without any solid grounds.

jamespir

dmg24 wrote: »

I think this is the key issue here. If she has chosen 'working with animals' as one of her preferred areas, then to refuse a position in this area could raise questions.

Moral grounds can be good reason for refusing a job, but they have to be pretty solid. For instance, if someone only turned vegetarian last week this would not be a good enough reason for not working with meat.



It is not up to you who the govt gives money to. Whilst cancer is a terrible and potentially life threatening condition, there are (thankfully) many who are able to work even whilst they are receiving treatment. Therefore your idea of giving everybody who has or has had cancer a free passport to benefits is without any solid grounds.

im not saying give them a fre passport im saying hey deserve it more than the people who do get it

hayley11

I'm not sure how I feel on this, some people could claim they can't do many jobs because of "moral reasons" but really they're just lazy. But then at the same time I totally agree with the OP's sister not wanting to work in a job like that.

When I was claiming JSA, they never even asked for proof that i'd applied for jobs, I wasn't on it long but all they did when I signed on was search through the jobs, ask if i'd found any myself, sign my thingy and off I went.

Also OP - tell your sister I know several grandmothers who do work or used to work on the sex chatlines

dmg24

jamespir wrote: »

im not saying give them a fre passport im saying hey deserve it more than the people who do get it

Again, it is not up to you who deserves to claim benefits or not. Comments regarding 'druggies and winos who juts waste the money' do not help anyone.

seven-day-weekend

I started a thread similar to this in which I asked if someone who had refused a job selling tobacco products who loathed and detested anything to do with smoking, should be sanctioned. The general concensus was that he should take the job.

I personally think that sincere concientious objection should be a valid reason for not taking a job. However I don't think the jobcentre see it that way.

Here's my thread if you are interested:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=832191&highlight=

NASA_2

You can refuse a job on conscientious grounds and here is the relevant guidance:

Religious beliefs and conscientious objections

21451 Claimants can place restrictions on the nature of the employment that they are
available for because of a sincerely held

1. religious belief or
2. conscientious objection
if they can show that they have reasonable prospects of obtaining employment with
those restrictions1.

1 reg 13(2)

Example 1

Claimants may restrict their availability to exclude the Sabbath due to their religious
beliefs if those beliefs are sincerely held.
They are available if they can show that they have reasonable prospects of
obtaining employment with that restriction.

Example 2

Claimants who have a conscientious objection against live animal exports, may
restrict the type of employment that they are available for to exclude

1. types of employment or
2. companies
that are associated with live animal exports. They are available if they can show that

they have reasonable prospects of obtaining employment with that restriction

Religious beliefs, conscientious objections and other restrictions

21453 If claimants place restrictions on their availability

1. some of which are connected to their religious beliefs or conscientious
objections under DMG 21451 and
2. some of which are not connected to those beliefs or objections
they must show that they have reasonable prospects of obtaining employment with

all of their restrictions1.

1 JSA Regs, reg 8 & 13(2)

Example

A woman has a conscientious objection against live animal exports.
She will not work in any type of employment or for any company that is connected to
live animal exports.

She also says that she will only

work in one location. This restriction is not
connected to her conscientious objection.
The DM should determine whether she has reasonable prospects of obtaining
employment with the restrictions on the

• type of employment she will accept and

• companies she will work for and

• location that she is willing to work in.

21454 - 21459