British gas

kippen_noedel

and AGAIN, using kwh as the starting point, it gives wrong information

yawn

same data using kwh
recommended NPower V15 @ £222.71 = save £145.35

now go back and use NPower as supplier
You are currently paying £143.13 a year for gas and £142.59 a year for electricity based on a consumption of 3033kWh for gas and 1053kWh for electricity with npower.

it's wrong, wrong, wrong on how the system calculates usage and current cost,


what do you not get about the fact that it is inherently misleading,

1carminestocky

Of course if Thatcher hadn't done the dirty deed all those years ago there wouldn't ahve been any need to argue about what comparison sites do and don't do. Sorry for the digression, do carry on.

On topic: the comparison sites are in it for one thing only - money. It is of course in their financial interests to get you to switch. That makes me suspicious straight away. And they certainly don't include enough info - I pay (overall) less with my current supplier than I would with any other, but the comparison sites have them listed nowhere near the top, lol.

Premier_2

kippen_noedel wrote: »

and AGAIN, using kwh as the starting point, it gives wrong information

yawn

same data using kwh
recommended NPower V15 @ £222.71 = save £145.35

now go back and use NPower as supplier
You are currently paying £143.13 a year for gas and £142.59 a year for electricity based on a consumption of 3033kWh for gas and 1053kWh for electricity with npower.

it's wrong, wrong, wrong on how the system calculates usage and current cost,


what do you not get about the fact that it is inherently misleading,

Please post the electricity supply area and the comparison site(s) used to get your results and then we'll all be able to see

Edit: infact you don't even need to tell us the comparison site - I'm sure they all give the same result. Just the electricity supply region is required please (or postcode of supply address if you prefer)

KimYeovil

kippen_noedel wrote: »

and AGAIN, using kwh as the starting point, it gives wrong information

yawn

same data using kwh
recommended NPower V15 @ £222.71 = save £145.35

now go back and use NPower as supplier
You are currently paying £143.13 a year for gas and £142.59 a year for electricity based on a consumption of 3033kWh for gas and 1053kWh for electricity with npower.

it's wrong, wrong, wrong on how the system calculates usage and current cost,


what do you not get about the fact that it is inherently misleading,

Yawn indeed.

Nope, tried a different comparison site, iterating the request did not result in a different recommendation.

You must be choosing a different nPower tariff from the one that was recommended when you go back.

(I guessed from 'Scottish Power' a region 18 location? And used uSwitch and Switch with Which and energyhelpline.)

kippen_noedel

KimYeovil wrote: »

You must be choosing a different nPower tariff from the one that was recommended when you go back

What is it with you ? I am not going to waste any more time with you, if you can't even read what I post what is the point of even trying to explain where you are going wrong.

Try reading what I post, No I did not use two different tariffs. NPower V15

KimYeovil

Then please name your comparison site. I am genuinely confused. If there is a comparison site out there doing this then it is broken (at best) or corrupt and must be identified and reported.

kippen_noedel

uSwitch was used this time

Premier_2

kippen_noedel wrote: »

uSwitch was used this time

Using that site, although you'll get the same result with any site, and using the Region 18 assumption that Kim used (since you haven't actually said) and setting the current supplier as nPower with signonline v15 tariff

You are currently paying £80.13 a year for gas and £142.59 a year for electricity based on a consumption of 3033kWh for gas and 1053kWh for electricity with npower.

Top of the list with uSwitch for duel fuel is nPower signonline v15 which will cost £222.71 (which is within a penny of what you currently pay - that'll be a rounding error)

The results you appear to be looking at are the single energy supply tariffs

The single fuel prices are more not comparable with the duel fuel since you are not entitled to the £63 per year duel fuel discount available with nPower signonline v15.

uSwitch suggests ebico @ £111.46 for gas and npower no standing charge @ £132.48 for electricity (the npower signonline v15 is £142.59 for electricity only) if you want single fuel tariffs

I hope that explains how the comparison site works. Nothing incorrect or misleading, you just need to understand what you are looking at.



Edit: Just to complete the analysis, if we start where you originally did with BG & SP as the suppliers:

You are currently paying £200.00 a year for gas and £168.00 a year for electricity based on a consumption of 3033kWh for gas and 1053kWh for electricity with British Gas and ScottishPower.

Here the cheapest is given as:

For Duel fuel: nPower signonline v15 @ £222.66

For electricity only: npower no standing charge @ £132.43
(npower signonline v15 is £142.55)

For gas only: Ebico @ £111.45


Unsurprisingly the same results (+/- upto 5p which would be rounding errors)


I would also point out that nPower Juice no standing charge & National Trust Green Energy (supplied by npower) comes up at the same price for electricity only and any could actually be at the top of the list.

Cardew

I have been banging on for years complaining about the tactics of the comparison websites, and for that matter the sales staff of the Utility companies.

I wonder what percentage of customers use the internet facilities of comparison websites, as opposed to simply phoning?

Those customers ‘sophisticated’ enough to enter kWh on internet comparison websites, and appreciate that dual fuel is not always cheapest, will not have a problem.

I believe the majority of customers will phone and say “I pay £xx a month by DD with BG/npower/EDF etc”.
That will give the comparison firms/sales staff ‘licence to kill’ and elicit the standard response “we can reduce that payment to £yy a month”

kippen_noedel

OMG you still don;t see what is staring you in the face, I posted all this already & this will be the last time I get involved in this thread, I have much better things to do than waste my time.

look at the consumption figures uswitch says you are getting you are getting


now enter those consumption figures choosing the company and tariff they recommend, look at the cost "you are currently paying"



the point is, the figures should match, there should be no saving

& choosing single fuel as the cheapest option isn't such a bad idea, you avoid all those "conditions"