Possible dismissal or at least disciplinary... Help what should I do?

confuzzled_86

Sorry but I don't want to have this here anymore. Sorry

Horace

From the scenario you have presented, by your own admission you asked someone who wasnt your line manager to give you a reference thinking that they would give you a better reference than your line manager - this other manager not knowing you has been unwittingly mislead into lying about your.sickness absence - if you were unsure you should have asked HR. You have also said that you told your new department that you would be giving in your notice to your old job, you didnt and therefore you can be classed as being dishonest and obtaining the job unfairly.

When you go to work on Monday ask for a copy of the disciplinary procedure - you will need a copy anyway. Your current line manager will have to follow the same procedures. As yet you haven't been told officially that you may be disciplined and I think you should wait until you are given notice of a meeting. The disciplinary may mean that you get a verbal warning, written warning or in extreme cases you could be sacked for gross misconduct. You can still be disciplined by both jobs because you have lied to both.

To be honest and looking at it from a uniion rep's point of you, you have deliberately set out to decieve - sorry if this sounds harsh, it reads to me that you reduced the hours in one job so that you could do more hours in the other and that you are in fact working two jobs when really you should only be doing one.

I would spent the weekend writing everything down and thinking of a good reason why you have mislead each department so that you are prepared next week. If you have done nothing wrong as you claim then you have no need to hand in your notice.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

They will be well within their rights to dismiss you from both jobs.

1) Both workplaces have ample reason to dismiss you
2) No if you resign from one job that job cant give you a discliplinary but HR will no doubt just disclipline you on the other job too.

Frankly you have acted like an idiot and your so called justification for it is weak at best. Why you thought lying was acceptable is beyond me and you have complicated this by keeping it up.

confuzzled_86

I know now what I did was wrong but I didn't think it was deceit. I was going to leave the other job and I was going to tell them, I just wanted a different referee because my current line manager and I had problems.

If I resign from my position tomorrow from my FT job can they still dismiss me as I am subject to four weeks notice?

As its the same organisation, can the others dismiss me also?

custardy

to be honest from an outsider it looks like

you lied about reducing your hours to fit in the 2nd/FT job
you lied about your referee & sickness
given the report HR have given it doesnt look good from the FT jobs point of view
same goes for your now PT job

now when you add to this it was all done under the same organisation.....

aj2703

What is the relationship problem with the line manager..?. What was so bad that you thought it better to go over the persons head to another..?.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

confuzzled_86 wrote: »

I know now what I did was wrong but I didn't think it was deceit. I was going to leave the other job and I was going to tell them, I just wanted a different referee because my current line manager and I had problems.

If I resign from my position tomorrow from my FT job can they still dismiss me as I am subject to four weeks notice?

As its the same organisation, can the others dismiss me also?

Yes and Yes

The fact is you have continually lied to your bosses and as such no confidence can remain and dismissal from both is entirely acceptable.

whilst companies wont follow through with a dismissal on resignation they may this time as it will strengthen their case from dismissal from the other job.

confuzzled_86

custardy wrote: »

to be honest from an outsider it looks like

you lied about reducing your hours to fit in the 2nd/FT job
you lied about your referee & sickness
given the report HR have given it doesnt look good from the FT jobs point of view
same goes for your now PT job

now when you add to this it was all done under the same organisation.....

I didn't lie for the FT job, I wasn't sure if I would take it. I did have personal circumstances but I can't prove it.

I didn't lie about sickness, I didn't know the exact time frame. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to have this checked but I wish I did now... I just thought I know its around 11 over two years but don't know an exact amount.

confuzzled_86

aj2703 wrote: »

What is the relationship problem with the line manager..?. What was so bad that you thought it better to go over the persons head to another..?.

There was a manager underneath her who used to bully me and others. When I bought it up with her, she always ignored it and allowed the bullying. I was referred to OH for stress. This is all on record where I bought up there were management issues.

This is why I didn't want her to give me a reference. I thought it wouldn't be worth it.

LittleVoice

confuzzled_86 wrote: »

I didn't lie for the FT job, I wasn't sure if I would take it. I did have personal circumstances but I can't prove it.

I didn't lie about sickness, I didn't know the exact time frame. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to have this checked but I wish I did now... I just thought I know its around 11 over two years but don't know an exact amount.

How much of a difference? If you said it was 11 (days?) over two years, what did the official records show?

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

confuzzled_86 wrote: »

I didn't lie for the FT job, I wasn't sure if I would take it. I did have personal circumstances but I can't prove it.

I didn't lie about sickness, I didn't know the exact time frame. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to have this checked but I wish I did now... I just thought I know its around 11 over two years but don't know an exact amount.

Yes you did. You gave the wrong line manager deliberatly. That was a lie. one they have a signature against.

The sickness is entirely your fault too

Not to mention lying to reduce your hours.

You are out of both jobs. No manager or company wants such deceitful staff.