There is no such thing as a bad job, especially now

ess0two

geoffky wrote: »

The thing is all of you say its ok for them to pay crap wages but when the state top it up to a livable wage via tax credits you scream and shout....sorry you cant have it both ways.

If these type of jobs paid top dollar,its likely it would snuff the desire for people to achieve,aspire and succeed.

bluey890

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There is no such thing as a bad job, especially now.

Crash has been doing a bad job. QED.

amcluesent

I hope all those grads leaving Uni with a degree and £10,000 debt will be very, very angry they are now on the dole with no prospects other than fruit picking. We need enraged, articulate people to lead the revolution.

donaldtramp

geoffky wrote: »

The thing is all of you say its ok for them to pay crap wages but when the state top it up to a livable wage via tax credits you scream and shout....sorry you cant have it both ways.

THAT'S EXACTLY the problem. :mad:The state should never have got involved to the extent it has.

When has government/state bankrolling something EVER worked?
Look at the glorious failure that was British Leyland.

The market should sort it out. All this government intervention propping up people through tax credits and social security payouts has created an underclass of MILLIONS of people who have no wish to try, to do better for themselves or wish their children to go on and do better than they did. (Or heaven forbid, get a job!!)

This is the very reason Britain is going down the toilet. There is no need to try because the state will provide a house, feed you and your kids and put clothes on your back.
They're "entitled" to it aren't they!!!!
I'm sorry but we can't afford to carry them now and things are going to have to change. There is simply no other option.

donaldtramp

amcluesent wrote: »

I hope all those grads leaving Uni with a degree and £10,000 debt will be very, very angry they are now on the dole with no prospects other than fruit picking. We need enraged, articulate people to lead the revolution.

Another example of this failed Socialist experiment requiring 50% of the population to go to university regardless of ability and the countries need for good quality vocational degrees.

It's all very well having millions of new graduates with degrees in sports science, aromatherapy and hotel management. But the problem is that these degrees are no use to man nor beast.
3/4 wasted years, massive debts and no future to look forward to. Meanwhile the country loses 3/4 otherwise productive years from these graduates that should have been working. But no, they were "entitled" to go to university, that's "fair"(to quote Clown) isn't it?

tomterm8

donaldtramp wrote: »

THAT'S EXACTLY the problem. :mad:The state should never have got involved to the extent it has.

When has government/state bankrolling something EVER worked?
Look at the glorious failure that was British Leyland.
.

British Layland was a crock of !!!! before the government "bought" it, so it's not surprising that it would continue to be a crock of !!!!. I'm just waiting for people to start discussing how the bank bailouts prove nationalisation never works... well, duh, if you buy a duff business for more money than its worth... you're going to lose money:rotfl:

That doesn't mean "nationalisation" doesn't work, it means buying !!!! for twice its value doesn't work.

donaldtramp

I agree that BL was a crock before, but the level of government involvement in our lifes now is absolutely ludicrous. That's what I was getting at, NOT the BL example, DUH!

You can get tax credits if you earn over 50K. Why do we need that level of government involvement?

I can't wait till the scythes come out after the next general election.
I'm sick of picking up the tab for our bloated welfare state, our bloated control freak government and our MPs.

Britain has just got to survive the next 10/11 months then we can finally be shot of this lot for a long, long time.

Degenerate

amcluesent wrote: »

I hope all those grads leaving Uni with a degree and £10,000 debt will be very, very angry they are now on the dole with no prospects other than fruit picking.

That's all most of them are good for. Don't they offer degrees in fruit picking these days?

Pobby

I worked for a terrific American company in the 70`s and 80`s who really invested in people. I was the UK field sales manager. 2 years later sales director and 4 years later I was offered European Managing Director. Sadly I refused. At 33 I was having too much fun and didn`t think I had that degree of ability.

Stayed on for a few years as a consultant.

That company brought out the best in people, paid for lots of training and gave a lot of people a great chance in life.

All they required was loyalty.

ILW

Pobby wrote: »

All they required was loyalty.

Defnition of loyalty:
Nobody else wants you.