There is no such thing as a bad job, especially now

ILW

Never understood the snobbery about these types of jobs.
Seems a bit strange that working in a mine hacking out bits of coal was always considered to be a noble way to earn a living, whereas supplying the miner with a meal is considered demeaning. No logic that I can see, just pure snobbery.

bendix

geoffky wrote: »

what about the flipper who has a low iq and was born to poverty who left school at 16 with no results? some people are born with both legs broken in the race for jobs..

What about them? Plenty of jobs out there for those types. MacDonalds, for one.

What's your point?

ruggedtoast

I think the younger generation sometimes have very unrealistic expectations about what the adult world is like, and the adult world has to shoulder a fair bit of blame for that.

When I was a kid with access to 5 tv channels and a 2 deck tape player to record TOTP on, I would have told you, had you asked, that I wanted to be a pop-star or footballer, whilst really having a picture in my minds eye of going to college, having a decent office job, doing some travel and settling down with a family, which is about what happened incidentally.

But kids now actually seem to believe they not only can be, but should be a millionaire centre-forward with a reality tv show and part time pop career, and life is horrible and unkind if they do a "normal" job.

But then if you look at all the media that is beamed into their retinas and ears on and offline 24/7 is that surprising?

lemonjelly

I worked in McD's. & Burger King. & a motorway service station. & pubs etc etc.

Actually, the majority of McD's staff are part time, students of all levels (from those doing a levels, through to degree students). They're usually earning enough to pay the rent - there's fairly flexible working, opportunities for extra hours, etc etc.

there is a stigma attached to working there, but I didn't care about that.

Having done it, I'm amazed at the number of lowlife who speak to the staff in so many condascending ways, not realising that the staff member has a higher IQ than the whole group of P***** up mongs, & may well be their GP or surgeon in 3-4 years time!

Others, are people who work there as the hours suit, part time, childcare or other care responsibilities etc.

I've now graduated, done a series of "more acceptable" jobs, and am currently on a decent income, having 2 jobs.

I think working there helped my work ethic, looked good on my CV, taught me a fair amount on hygeine, & meant I started saving a deposit for a home at the age of 16 whilst still at school!:eek:

Agree wholeheartedly that the food is crap though!;)

ruggedtoast

Also MCDonalds are one of the largest most successful multinational companies in the world , with operations in almost every country, and have a good management training programme.

If people cant see any career benefit whatsoever in working for them, they probably are only suited to Jeremy Kyle!

bendix

ruggedtoast wrote: »

But then if you look at all the media that is beamed into their retinas and ears on and offline 24/7 is that surprising?

Well, yeah, it would only be surprising if you worked on the premise that today's young are braindead cretins.

I think the biggest change in society is the increased voice of - and exposure to - the thoughts of the chavvy types. There are plenty of sane kids out there who have normal expectations - unfortunately, our Jade Goody-obsessed society has given far too prominent a voice to the idiots who seem to now shape modern life and modern thinking in a way that - thirty years ago - never happened.

It is now cool to be illeducated, bigoted and monosyllabic. Back then you never heard from this underclass - now they are the hegemonical norm to which even smarter kids aspire.

Dumbing down of society in action.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

As a graduate, I worked at my local cinema (serving rancid hotdogs & grossly overpriced drinks, selling tickets, ushering, refilling bog roll dispensers etc) for pretty much minimum wage for a couple of months whilst looking for "grown up" jobs in London. It was probably the best job I ever had (although tempered with the fact I knew I wasn't doing it forever); it was a sociable job, I worked with a really varied range of people in terms of ages and backgrounds, got to see films for free, helped myself to pick n mix and ice cream when the managers weren't there etc etc. The company looked after staff very well IMO- a manager would drive you home after a late night closing, or they would arrange a taxi.

To be honest, I think most office temp jobs, esp involving data entry, are far more soul-destroying and demeaning and often don't pay any better anyway. They just appear more respectable.

I had a cleaning job when I was a teenager, and also worked as a housekeeper in an American motel one summer as a student. Once you've had a "menial" job you become much more aware of all the "little" jobs around you that help society function, and are more respectful to those who do them for whatever reason.

ruggedtoast

bendix wrote: »

It is now cool to be illeducated, bigoted and monosyllabic. Back then you never heard from this underclass - now they are the hegemonical norm to which even smarter kids aspire.

Dumbing down of society in action.

I dont know where you went to school but in the comp I attended getting A grades didnt exactly protect you from a bog wash or make you a winner with the girls.

In fact there sociological studies running back to the 70s on the corrosive influence in schooling of a certain type of working class antipathy to establishment institutions, which manifested in a quasi-passive resistance towards extra-peer expectations.

This generally continued into the workplaces the ringleaders went to. One of the researchers reported rather bemusedly how the same boys who skived off biology to smoke behind the bike sheds and were lippy to the teachers followed the same pattern when managed by a factory foreman, even though it was obviously endangering their employment and lumbering them with the worst jobs, and often leaving them standing around bored of their own reductivism.

On further interviewing the boys, he discovered that they felt validated by the amount of orders they avoided following, like they were achieving a rebellion.

Children are very easily led and will generally fall to the lowest common denominator.

ILW

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I dont know where you went to school but in the comp I attended getting A grades didnt exactly protect you from a bog wash or make you a winner with the girls.

In fact there sociological studies running back to the 70s on the corrosive influence in schooling of a certain type of working class antipathy to establishment institutions, which manifested in a quasi-passive resistance towards extra-peer expectations.

This generally continued into the workplaces the ringleaders went to. One of the researchers reported rather bemusedly how the same boys who skived off biology to smoke behind the bike sheds and were lippy to the teachers followed the same pattern when managed by a factory foreman, even though it was obviously endangering their employment and lumbering them with the worst jobs, and often leaving them standing around bored of their own reductivism.

On further interviewing the boys, he discovered that they felt validated by the amount of orders they avoided following, like they were achieving a rebellion.

Children are very easily led and will generally fall to the lowest common denominator.

I knew that!

Lincolnite

I totally agree with ruggedtoast on the 'unrealistic expectations of working life as a kid' notion... Everyone has to start somewhere in employment (whether you consider that to be working at McDonalds or working a 9-5 office job), different people have different standards, but I agree it's not right the snobbery that goes on with regards to jobs that are deemed too "beneath" some people. I would much rather see a young person working hard at McDonalds (or anywhere else for that matter) and being a responsible tax-paying citizen, than some of the Jeremy Kyle clan who do nothing and sponge off everyone else!