There is no such thing as a bad job, especially now

ruggedtoast

Youngsters must drop their prejudices against ‘low-skill' jobs and companies must help to bridge the work-school divide.

Its by a big nob in McD's who wants to stop people peeing over the McDonalds career parade. I mostly agree with him - though I think the crux of the issue is summed up by one of the comments

AGREED-BUT what a dysfunctional country! The media is all property-!!!!!!, "2nd homes in the sun" and "Beckham's 70 grand frock horror" etc whilst meanwhile graduates are told "be lucky you are getting the minimum wage!". How can we solve problems if we won't even look truthfully in the mirror.
Simon, Southampton, UK

Very true.

Ironically McDonalds is rather a good place to work career wise. They do a lot more to advance workers than most other companies and if you have any initiative and can stand working there you can do rather well compared to the Perfect Fried Chicken or Nik's Kebabs.

donaldtramp

Ah but is it "better" than sitting on the sofa watching Jeremy Kyle and signing on once a fortnight?

No these Mcjobs are clearly "below" some people.

Below them???:rotfl::rotfl:

In my mind there is NOTHING lower than sitting on the sofa consuming tax money and taking money from other people.

geoffky

heres what the article really says.


people must except that we call the shots now and you are going to have to work for crap pay if you do not like it there will be others who will be willing to do the job..

imagine trying to run a house on the wages these scum pay..

inspector_monkfish

http://www.worst-jobs.com/

vivatifosi

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Ironically McDonalds is rather a good place to work career wise. They do a lot more to advance workers than most other companies and if you have any initiative and can stand working there you can do rather well compared to the Perfect Fried Chicken or Nik's Kebabs.

When I studies Ops Management we arranged to visit both a McD's and a Pret A Manger as part of our course. It was interesting to see how the layout of the stores had been thought out, in the case of MD's how they operated their cells. The staff we spoke to in both instances were very knowledgeable about their operations. There was actually quite a lot to learn from an operations techniques POV and I can see how someone who gets into management at either McD or Pret could gain useful portable skills.

ILW

geoffky wrote: »

heres what the article really says.


people must except that we call the shots now and you are going to have to work for crap pay if you do not like it there will be others who will be willing to do the job..

imagine trying to run a house on the wages these scum pay..

Yes
Everybody should be paid a million pounds a year, no matter if what they do has any worth.
Come the revolution brothers.

ILW

geoffky wrote: »

imagine trying to run a house on the wages these scum pay..

Branch manager earn 30k plus.

geoffky

what about the flipper who has a low iq and was born to poverty who left school at 16 with no results? some people are born with both legs broken in the race for jobs..

ILW

geoffky wrote: »

what about the flipper who has a low iq and was born to poverty who left school at 16 with no results? some people are born with both legs broken in the race for jobs..

Are you saying that everybody should earn the same regardless of their ability?

ruggedtoast

geoffky wrote: »

heres what the article really says.


people must except that we call the shots now and you are going to have to work for crap pay if you do not like it there will be others who will be willing to do the job..

imagine trying to run a house on the wages these scum pay..

I dont really agree with that. I think McDonalds are a very positive employer for these kinds of jobs.

Working in a fast food restaurant is going to be low skilled and low paid with a real risk of demotivated staff.

They're not bad employers though. They have Investor in People status which is notoriously difficult to achieve unless you have a real commitment and substantial budget for universal staff development, they also make the Times top 100 grad employers, and are now running NQF Work Based Learning programmes (hence the putative Mcdonalds degree), with exams on sat on their sites.

Research shows this kind of stuff gives a vast boost to employees confidence, loyalty and future earnings and they deserve a nod for doing so.

Dont get me wrong I think McD's food is vile, an animal rights catastrophe, and they've used questionably marketing methods for the rubbish they sell - however if they are calling for people to be realistic about the job they can get now - and giving them a leg up for the job they can get in the future, they deserve praise.

MrDT

Maccy Dees were advertising for a trainee manager round here at circa 18k increasing to 22k on completion of training, oooh about 5 years ago. I was close to graduating at the time and needed a job, it was something I was seriously considering taking on.

I took a lower paying job with better prospects in the end (and less stigma), but was seriously considering it.

The average salary in this area (5 years later) is still well under 22k - clearly there's a lot worse out there.

Biggest problem I think is that there's a certain stigma associated with working in fast food, not so bad as a spotty teen, but what about when you're in your thirties? Even in a well paid challenging and satisfying role you'd be seen as a 'failure'. How would parents feel to see their children go through university , graduate, then settle into a job surrounded by 16 year old dropouts? Funny old world really. We tend to have very norrow minded views on certain job types and companies.

I can see this going the same way as the binmen on strike thread tbh. I would flip burgers and empty bins before scrounging, sadly about half the population wouldn't.


edit: RT, any chance of a link in the OP?