Moneygrabbing PWC here needing advice..

Loopy_Girl

DUTR wrote: »

I agree and from both 'sides of the fence' , in fairness I have noticed a mellowing since I was harbouring on about the inequality of advice and answers from some posters. It does seem a little more balanced now

Yes DUTR, we have all sat back and read your words of wisdom and all changed our attitudes......:rolleyes:

Funny how you never seem to back up a PWC though EVER - even if they are in dire need of help....you want to talk about 'balance', sunshine? Maybe take a look back at your patronising posts

real1314

"t's not even possible a NRP gets screwed as you put it, the CSA have very clear guidelines about how much a NRP will have to pay, so unless the NRP begrudges paying this amount to support their offspring, there should be no problems"

Ok, can you work out how this pans out under current CSA rules (or whatever name they are currently using):-

PWC has 2 kids, has them for 4 days a week and PWC earns £300 per week. PWC gets Child Benefit of £30 a week and Tax Credit of £70 per week. Has to pay rent of £100 a week and Council Tax of £15 a week.

NRP has the 2 kids for 3 days a week, earns £200 a week, has to pay rent of £100 a week and Council Tax of £15 a week.

Does the NRP have to pay CSA to the PWC? If so, how much?
Does the PWC have to pay any CSA to the NRP? If sso, how much?

Loopy_Girl

As the PWC is the main carer (i.e more than 3 nights caring) then they would be entitled to the maintenance money.

So in the scenario that you gave

The NRP would pay 20% of their wage less 3/7 for overnight stays which I calculate to be £22.90 per week to PWC.

£10.45 per child per week

DUTR

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Yes DUTR, we have all sat back and read your words of wisdom and all changed our attitudes......:rolleyes:

Funny how you never seem to back up a PWC though EVER - even if they are in dire need of help....you want to talk about 'balance', sunshine? Maybe take a look back at your patronising posts

Are you absolutely sure now? I have never backed up a PWC or gone against an NRP who is seeking to avoid paying? Are you sure now?

MSE CSA is not a place for PWC's to find out how to spite their ex or is it a place for NRPs to seek avoiding contribution, that is what I'm on about balance and I think you will find I have contributed to both sides of the fence, it is not just myself that has noticed the mellowing on the forum as recent as this week :cool:

real1314

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

As the PWC is the main carer (i.e more than 3 nights caring) then they would be entitled to the maintenance money.

So in the scenario that you gave

The NRP would pay 20% of their wage less 3/7 for overnight stays which I calculate to be £22.90 per week to PWC.

£10.45 per child per week

Thank you.

So now we see the point proved that the CSA rules do "screw" people.

NRP is left with £62.10 per week to feed and clothe themselves (less than a single over 25 on Income Support) AND to feed their 2 children for 3 days of the week.

PWC is "left" by copmparison with an extra £245.80 per week to presumably clothe the children and feed them for the 1 solitary extra day.

Is that fair? Or could it be said that one parent is inevitably going to be unable to properly provide for their children for the time they spend with that parent?

Loopy_Girl

DUTR wrote: »

Are you absolutely sure now? I have never backed up a PWC or gone against an NRP who is seeking to avoid paying? Are you sure now?

MSE CSA is not a place for PWC's to find out how to spite their ex or is it a place for NRPs to seek avoiding contribution, that is what I'm on about balance and I think you will find I have contributed to both sides of the fence, it is not just myself that has noticed the mellowing on the forum as recent as this week :cool:

Oh I am totally sure

and am glad that you and your chums have been noticing the apparant mellowing - bless maybe it's the sudden appearance of BB eh, DUTR?

Loopy_Girl

real1314 wrote: »

Thank you.

So now we see the point proved that the CSA rules do "screw" people.

NRP is left with £62.10 per week to feed and clothe themselves (less than a single over 25 on Income Support) AND to feed their 2 children for 3 days of the week.

PWC is "left" by copmparison with an extra £245.80 per week to presumably clothe the children and feed them for the 1 solitary extra day.

Is that fair? Or could it be said that one parent is inevitably going to be unable to properly provide for their children for the time they spend with that parent?

Nothing to stop the NRP, or anyone in fact, getting a better paid job is there? Lets be honest here, no point bleating about screwing over when the NRP has 4 nights to get more work and the PWC has 3 nights

Is it the PWC fault that they have more wages coming in? Is it the NRP fault that they have a lower paid job? who knows....

DUTR

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Oh I am totally sure

and am glad that you and your chums have been noticing the apparant mellowing - bless maybe it's the sudden appearance of BB eh, DUTR?

Well LG, you are so sure, but I am sure you are mistaken, obviously something is 'burning' you this evening, as you walked straight into real1234's 'trap' , you answered the NRP could get a better paid job but so could a lot of PWC's (which you perhaps mentioned without saying PWC.
What chums are these? There is no denying things have mellowed out and are more civilised, this battle of the PWC vs NRP is so yesterday and I'm sure you agree is not what this forum is really for.

Loopy_Girl

I did say there was nothing to stop the PWC getting a better paid job....but at the end of the day both parents have a responsibility to financially raise a child.

If the PWC (as in the case given) happens to have a better paid job then is that the fault of the CSA? Is is the fault of the CSA that the CB and CTC/WTC is paid to the main carer? No

And if real is setting a trap then errr happy for them...the question was asked and answered

DUTR

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

I did say there was nothing to stop the PWC getting a better paid job....but at the end of the day both parents have a responsibility to financially raise a child.

If the PWC (as in the case given) happens to have a better paid job then is that the fault of the CSA? Is is the fault of the CSA that the CB and CTC/WTC is paid to the main carer? No

And if real is setting a trap then errr happy for them...the question was asked and answered

What you actually typed was "Nothing to stop the NRP, or anyone in fact, getting a better paid job is there? Lets be honest here, no point bleating about screwing over when the NRP has 4 nights to get more work and the PWC has 3 nights"

As the scenario does not directly affect me , I'm not too fussed.
I agree both parents have a financial responsibility to raise a child, one main difference is one has no help and the other has lots and are not always satisfied with what they are getting (I think that was the point real1234 was raising) . I pay my dues so I can sleep easy and so will no longer get wrapped up in the spiteful tactics that go on via this forum. In the long run I know which party will be better off.