Delivery man - ARGH!!!

Little_Miss_Lexi

First of all If I know I've got a parcel being delivered then I wait in my house until its done, That's just common sense.

Second of all if you left your front door unlocked then its like an invitation for someone to walk in, Just think yourself lucky that it was the courier rather than a burglar raiding your rooms, If you dog didn't bark then how was you supposed to hear him?

I think that man was probably trying to do you a favour, Heard you was inside and tried to get your attention after knocking at the door. I don't think he should be shot down for that. He could of just left you a calling card and !!!!!!ed off and then you'll be ranting about that too.

Maybe you should of stayed in your house knowing that you had a delivery coming rather than being outside, Leaving the door open for anyone to walk in is just dangerous anyway especially with children in your house.

Maybe take it as a lesson of security for yourself, If you didn't leave the door open then he wouldn't of been able to get into your house would he? You can't blame him for trying to do you a favour by trying to get your attention.

Patrick20

I disagree with the majority on here, the door was closed over so how does this look like an invitation? Just because the door is unlocked, he can come in? I know the media make out that the world is a nasty place, but are you all really that scared that your door is constantly locked? I live in a village in scotland, quite a rough area according to some. However ive lived here 20 years and ive never had a burglary ever, and I only lock my door in the evening when I sleep(not that it would matter since pvc doors can be kicked down in seconds.

Anyway, just because I dont fear for my life every minute of the day, does that mean i deserve any less privacy? I hope not. The closed door should signify that the occupant wants privacy. Good on the OP for complaining because the man is in a position where he should know better.

Btw i also dont think he just deserved to be told it was unacceptable. This isnt a local postie who's face you know and could see that it doesnt happen again. He could infact have been trying to steal from the OP. If i was stupid enough to open the door, then i would shout from the threshold to see the occupants were in, if I didnt get a reply thn i wouldnt go any further.

JSF

Tricky one this one. My thoughts are ...

If its a nice friendly rural area would this be seen as more normal as an more impersonal undesirable inner city one?

Would someone risk his livelihood to enter with bad intentions?

Is the company putting pressure on their staff to make sure deliveries are made as customers complain?

If he found you on the floor injured and called an ambulance would you have still made a fuss?

However I do think its lock the door if you dont want any one to enter. And a note on the door with a mobile number or landline to call when at the door would help.

Patrick20

JSF wrote: »

Tricky one this one. My thoughts are ...

If its a nice friendly rural area would this be seen as more normal as an more impersonal undesirable inner city one?

i live in a rural area and still wouldnt accept an unknown barging into my home.

Would someone risk his livelihood to enter with bad intentions?

Who knows criminals come in all shapes, sizes and proffesions.

Is the company putting pressure on their staff to make sure deliveries are made as customers complain?

So they come into your home to drop it off instead of following protocol?

If he found you on the floor injured and called an ambulance would you have still made a fuss?

Thats not really the point is it.

However I do think its lock the door if you dont want any one to enter. And a note on the door with a mobile number or landline to call when at the door would help.

Give an unknown your phone number so ur he can phone beforehand next time to make sure you are out before he steals your belongings?

My thoughts to your post are in red JSF. I'm also not writing with an attitude btw just debating friendly.

stingeylass

I don't see what the big deal is here;
you were expecting the delivery man,
he knew you were expecting him,
he knocks on the door,
you don't answer,
he knows you must be in but unable to hear him,
so, rather than taking the delivery away again he uses a bit of initiative and opens the door. He calls out to let you know he's there.
You here him, sign for delivery.

What would you have prefered him to do? take the delivery back so you have to rearrange a delivery time and go through the whole thing again?
If you know someone is expecting you but doesn't answer the door it seems reasonable to open the door and call in. This is a delivery guy who probably enters loads of peoples houses and I seriously doubt he had any intention of offending you or violating your privacy, he was just doing his job.

ThinkingOfLinking

Pssst wrote: »

I think your wrong. The delivery driver turned up. He knew someone was in the house so he was just doing his best to deliver the parcel,avoid disappointment and get the job done. Do you assume that he might enter your home with felonious intent? If so,why leave the door open? I call on homes too and im sick to death of the ones who say i didnt knock or they were in. What they need to do is listen out,turned their tv or radio down or not sit sunning themselves in the garden then blame me when i've been and left my calling card.

I do see your point, but in the case of some of the couriers and postmen in my area, they don't give me time sometimes; I have to throw myself down 3 flights of stairs, negotiating my housemates' crap strewn all over them so I don't fall down and break my neck, and the posties don't always give me time to get downstairs so sometimes I camp out on the stairs with my laptop on my knees.:rotfl:

Tea3

stingeylass wrote: »

I don't see what the big deal is here;
you were expecting the delivery man,
he knew you were expecting him,
he knocks on the door,
you don't answer,
he knows you must be in but unable to hear him,
so, rather than taking the delivery away again he uses a bit of initiative and opens the door. He calls out to let you know he's there.
You here him, sign for delivery.

That scenario is fine but how did the delivery man 'know' the op must be in? What gave him the right to turn her door handle to check it was unlocked? Also he did not open the door and call out which IMO is not fully right but also is the delivery man trying to help out - he actually walked all the way through her house past living room and bedroom doors! (not a personal attack on you stingeylass but your post was the latest one to say this type of scenario so was handy to quote).

From some previous posts I think some people are still assuming the door was open - it was closed but unlocked - two totally different things - one means you are in and the delivery man was being helpful, one means the delivery man did not know if you were in or not and opened your door and walked into your house uninvited. Also popping you head in someones door and shouting is one thing, walking entirely through your house is another - had it been a split level house would some of the posters on here been happy to find a delivery man in the upstairs section of their house checking they were in? Whats the difference? Still means he walked though an entire house to get the OP's attention. Where do you draw the line? Trying to be helpful and shouting from door is fine, even opening door and shouting can be helpful although over-stepping the personal boundry issue, but to physically enter a property uninvited is wrong.

I fully agree the delivery man was trying to be helpful and should not be pulled over hot coals however I would make a call to the courier company without giving my name etc and ask the depot manager to remind drivers that this is not normal procedure and could severly scar someone of a nervous disposition, an elderly person or someone who had previously been attacked etc. And before anyone replies saying she should have locked her door - remember an unlocked but closed door is very very different from an open door.

Where does it stop - can anyone then enter your house if the door is closed but unlocked? Can you be in the garden with front door unlocked (but closed) because you are expecting a friend to pop round but you could come back into house to see two jehovah's witnesses, a gas salesman and a flyer ditribution guy standing in your house? Or does this 'you can open door and walk in without permission' only apply to couriers? A closed door means knock, if no answer then go away or leave a message - if the home owner misses something important then its their fault.

Had the delivery man entered the house and been attacked by the owners dog what would be everyones stance then? Would the dog be dangerous and put down? Would the owner then need to muzzle her dog in her own home? Or would people be saying the driver should not have opened the door and entered the house?

Pollycat

Patrick20 wrote: »

I know the media make out that the world is a nasty place, but are you all really that scared that your door is constantly locked?

Patrick
I don't lock my doors because I'm scared - I do it to safeguard my property from opportunist thieves - who occupy this often nasty world we live in.

giggles_alot

Thanks for all your thoughts

Patrick20 wrote: »

I disagree with the majority on here, the door was closed over so how does this look like an invitation? Just because the door is unlocked, he can come in? I know the media make out that the world is a nasty place, but are you all really that scared that your door is constantly locked? I live in a village in scotland, quite a rough area according to some. However ive lived here 20 years and ive never had a burglary ever, and I only lock my door in the evening when I sleep(not that it would matter since pvc doors can be kicked down in seconds.

I am the same, very safe village, never had a burglary in 23 years of living here. Doors locked when out or asleep.

stingeylass wrote: »

What would you have prefered him to do? take the delivery back so you have to rearrange a delivery time and go through the whole thing again?

Yes I would have prefered this to him entering my home. If he was just attempting to be helpful my neighbour was home and on his driveway - he would happily have signed for

Tea3 wrote: »

Had the delivery man entered the house and been attacked by the owners dog what would be everyones stance then? Would the dog be dangerous and put down? Would the owner then need to muzzle her dog in her own home? Or would people be saying the driver should not have opened the door and entered the house?

He was very lucky that he wasn't attacked. Had my young niece not been here i think the dog would have attacked. But the dog choose to guard my niece from him rather than attack. Luckly shes a well trained dog and did as she was told


As for action, I phoned the courier company. Wasn't out for making a big fuss or hanging this guy out to dry, Just wanted them to know what happened and that i wasn't happy. The lovely lady i spoke to was very concerned that one of the couriers was acting in this way and requested i sent the details in writing. Since them I've sent a letter to the company, just pointing out what happened, how i felt and commented on his safety

Patrick20

Pollycat wrote: »

Patrick
I don't lock my doors because I'm scared - I do it to safeguard my property from opportunist thieves - who occupy this often nasty world we live in.

Your World might be nasty but my world isnt as bad as the media make out.