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Fiona11 wrote:

Click on Johnrhodes name and read all his threads. Everyone is abusive or unpleasant. Don't forget to report such abuse!

I see. To re-phrase an old saying:

"all Rhodes lead to a moan"

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johnrhodes

Fenris wrote:

I know I really should just let this alone, but I can't help but mention the fact that humans really aren't evolved to eat meat in the same way as our close relatives apes are. As everyone who's ever watched TV will know, humans share 98% of DNA with chimps. Other than the fact that we walk upright, can talk human and can build things, there's very little that sperates us...other than the fact that chimps are very adpet at hunting. Have you ever seen it? It's not nice. Very effective, but also very disturbing to witness. I'd hate to be a cameraman filing that type of hunt.

The reason they're so good at it is because chimps have evolved long arms and legs with which to swing through trees after their monkey prey. They also have very long canine teeth.

Ever wonder why humans don't hunt like that? Because humans managed to evlove beyond the need to do what chimps do. Humans developed tools with which to hunt. Later, humans developed tools with which to cultivate the land. There are humans who haven't eaten meat for generations and they're no worse off for it. Ever wonder why we no longer have long canine teeth? Because humans have developed beyond the need to kill and eat raw flesh.

Humans will probably always be omniverous because it's what we're brought up with. But this doesn't in any way mean that meat HAS to be included in the diet. It's no longer required by our bodies because, over the course of the few millennia that humans have roamed the earth, there have been significant environmental and social changes in human behaviour. If humans were to suddenly be forced back into a carniverous diet, they'd die out almost instantly. You can't live without vegetables and fruits. But if meat were no longer available humans would carry on living becaue we've evolved such a sophisticated system which breaks down and uses vegetable matter far more effectivly than it ever could break down animal proteins.

I'm not saying that eating meat is a bad thing; it's natural. I'm just saying that the argument of evolution is far more complex than "Look at that digestive tract; that's one made for meat!"

Fenris, some good points made. This one is always goint to divide opinion and dont think I'm trying to be rude or provocative. This is a debate that I actually enjoy. I would like to comment on a couple of things 1. chimps eat meat only in times of stress-99% of the time they eat fruits. 2. chimps dont have long arms and legs to chase prey through trees 3. the old figure of 98% similarity was banded around decades before the human genome project and isnt accurate 4. I'm intrigued to know who the 'humans who havent eaten meat for generations' are? 5. humans have roamed the earth significantly longer than 'a few millennia' according to all current evidence 6. the assertion that we can break down veg better than meat is simply false. we have no where near the extraordinary adaptions of true herbivores. we struggle to digest most complex plant carbs. Again, dont think I'm just being a pr**k, I think this is a debate worth having

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