Kitchen Floor Tiling

KellyWelly

Anyone advise on this? I thought it was expensive at £51/m[FONT=&quot]²[/FONT] but I'm not sure since it does include materials; this is the quote:

[FONT=&quot]"To:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Prepare kitchen floor ready to accept floor tiles[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fit approx 18M² client supplied floor tiles[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Grout tiles[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]To supply:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Floor tile adhesive[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Floor tile grout[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Floor sealant(seal old adhesives to floor)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NET TOTAL including labour and supplied materials[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]£800.00[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]VAT(@15%)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]£120.00[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]GROSSTOTAL[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]£920.00"[/FONT]


Also is it a good idea to "seal old adhesives to floor"? I thought it would have been better to strip the floor back completely to the concrete or does it not really matter? At the moment there are old old grey vinyl things stuck to the floor that I think were put down when the house was either first built or very new when it was owned by the local council.



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andyhop

sounds way too much unless its natural stones.

Is there a lot of cuts?Can the plinths and end panels be removed?

KellyWelly

I won't be buying natural stone, I'm going for ceramic and yes, all the plinths can be removed and I only have one end panel that could be removed if he unscrewed it. I'll get some more quotes in, we're having the work done in August. The bloke who quoted was the same one who had done my bathroom which I think he vastly underestimated and he's either looking to recoup his losses from that or he is hedging his bets with this job.

Rosebery_2

On the face of it I'd say it looks out by a factor of 2.

Cheers

emmas42

It is easier to leave the old tiles down and tile on top of them as the adhesive underneath them will need to re removed altogether which is a really nasty longwinded job. By sealant they may mean unibond or simelar

It does seem about double the going rate.

andyhop

You are always better removing the old tiles

If the floor after removal is in poor condition then it needs a simple self levelling screed

I would never advise tile on tile as you do not know what the previous fixers work was like, It could have been laided poorly or even dot and dabbed

Rosebery_2

emmas42 wrote: »

It is easier to leave the old tiles down and tile on top of them as the adhesive underneath them will need to re removed altogether which is a really nasty longwinded job.

But that would be a bodge. Perhaps thats why the price looks high - to cover this labour and time intensive work?

By sealant they may mean unibond or simelar

As you work in a tile shop I really do hope you don't mean that.

It does seem about double the going rate, I work in a tile shop and we would expect our customers to be charged between £20-£30 a square metre for ceramics or porcelain, maybe a little more for Natural stone.

Exactly.

Cheers

emmas42

Rosebery wrote: »

But that would be a bodge. Perhaps thats why the price looks high - to cover this labour and time intensive work?


As you work in a tile shop I really do hope you don't mean that.


Exactly.

Cheers

What I meant was that a hell of a lot of tilers just seem to think that a coat of unibond will fix everything! An awful lot refuse to be told otherwise. (Especially when I try to advise, being a young woman I couldn'y possibly know! :eek:)
The tiles which cause problems and are best left alone are the old marley tiles that always seemed to be stuck into council properties built in the 60's. When you rip them up you are faced with nasty black or brown adhesive that is a massive job in itself, I've even had customers use Petrol to get this up (I certainly did NOT tell them to do that!)
If you decide to take up Marley tiles then at least 80% of the sticky yuck stuff has to be taken up too before you can even think about tiling. popping levelling compound over the top isn't very effective as it doesn't key to the adhesive either.

thechippy

If it's the old vinyl tiles, I'd leave them down if they are well stuck. There is nothing wrong with using some self levelling on any poor areas. If a good quality flexible adhesive is used, it will adhere fine.

mojomcl

Does your kitchen really have 18M² of floor space?! OMG! Surely not?
If it does, then I'd snap the £920 quote up before he notices his mis-calculation.....I thought you meant 18SqM, and I bet he does too ;-)

Atelier

This is a standard tiling quote (although quite an expensive one).

The price is for all the costs associated with fitting a new floor but does not include the tiles. Therefore £51/sqM is completely over the top.

Round here, the rules of thumb is to pay £15/sqM including materials for a flooring professional. Our kitchen is 30sqM and we paid £160 labour (1 day for 2 people) + approximately £150 materials which I bought from the local tiling centre.

KellyWelly wrote: »

Anyone advise on this? I thought it was expensive at £51/m[FONT=&quot]²[/FONT] but I'm not sure since it does include materials; this is the quote:

[FONT=&quot]"To:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Prepare kitchen floor ready to accept floor tiles[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fit approx 18M² client supplied floor tiles[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Grout tiles[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]To supply:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Floor tile adhesive[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Floor tile grout[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Floor sealant(seal old adhesives to floor)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]NET TOTAL including labour and supplied materials[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]£800.00[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]VAT(@15%)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]£120.00[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]GROSSTOTAL[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]£920.00"[/FONT]


Also is it a good idea to "seal old adhesives to floor"? I thought it would have been better to strip the floor back completely to the concrete or does it not really matter? At the moment there are old old grey vinyl things stuck to the floor that I think were put down when the house was either first built or very new when it was owned by the local council.