ESA Appeal advice needed

Oldernotwiser

Uncertain wrote: »

How do you know if your "afflictions" are in any way equal to "gibboelli's" or anybody else for that matter?

Anybody who has really experienced these kind of problems will know that your attitude is like telling somebody with a broken leg to take an asprin!

You could equally say, "how do you know that Gibboelli's depression is worst than WML'S?"

Just because one person leaves work and claims benefits and another person grits their teeth and soldiers on through the misery, doesn't mean that they're any less afflicted.

NASA_2

Its not a debate that can be won on the internet.

seeya23

too true mate

gibboelli

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

You could equally say, "how do you know that Gibboelli's depression is worst than WML'S?"

Just because one person leaves work and claims benefits and another person grits their teeth and soldiers on through the misery, doesn't mean that they're any less afflicted.

Doesnt mean they're any better or superior either. According to WML's view that means everyone on ESA or Jobseekers are lazy and 'sitting on their @rse all day'.

welshmoneylover

I have great sympathy for people at the moment being on esa due to this present economic crisis. I certainly don't berate them for being on their bums all day.

I do find it very difficult when people come on here asking for advice because their esa has been stopped after claiming it so easily for many years and they can no longer claim it for anxiety and depression, and when it's suggested they *shock horror* may be better off *emotionally* trying to find work then there is a backlash.

I find on this board, the word *work* is rather dirty to some people. This, too, I find difficult.

The magic word *benefits* is more highly respected.

It has been proved by the medical profession that people with depression are better off in some sort of work environment rather than sitting in the house looking at four walls claiming benefits.

Surely having an adult conversation within a social group is more beneficial to the human well being.

I hope someone can see what message I'm trying to convey.

seeya23

welshmoneylover wrote: »

I have great sympathy for people at the moment being on esa due to this present economic crisis. I certainly don't berate them for being on their bums all day.

I do find it very difficult when people come on here asking for advice because their esa has been stopped after claiming it so easily for many years and they can no longer claim it for anxiety and depression, and when it's suggested they *shock horror* may be better off *emotionally* trying to find work then there is a backlash.

I find on this board, the word *work* is rather dirty to some people. This, too, I find difficult.

The magic word *benefits* is more highly respected.

It has been proved by the medical profession that people with depression are better off in some sort of work environment rather than sitting in the house looking at four walls claiming benefits.

Surely having an adult conversation within a social group is more beneficial to the human well being.

I hope someone can see what message I'm trying to convey.

i can see where you are coming from but i have had depression for 15 years now
i ve worked for 8 years untill last month now im on esa i did not see it coming
i did not think i would be off work again with depression

bestpud

welshmoneylover wrote: »

I have great sympathy for people at the moment being on esa due to this present economic crisis. I certainly don't berate them for being on their bums all day.

I do find it very difficult when people come on here asking for advice because their esa has been stopped after claiming it so easily for many years and they can no longer claim it for anxiety and depression, and when it's suggested they *shock horror* may be better off *emotionally* trying to find work then there is a backlash.

I find on this board, the word *work* is rather dirty to some people. This, too, I find difficult.

The magic word *benefits* is more highly respected.

It has been proved by the medical profession that people with depression are better off in some sort of work environment rather than sitting in the house looking at four walls claiming benefits.

Surely having an adult conversation within a social group is more beneficial to the human well being.

I hope someone can see what message I'm trying to convey.

I'd say you have more 'support' on this than you may realise but it is the way you say it (sometimes) which initiates the backlash...

Oldernotwiser

gibboelli wrote: »

Doesnt mean they're any better or superior either. According to WML's view that means everyone on ESA or Jobseekers are lazy and 'sitting on their @rse all day'.

You can never measure degrees of these things but, if you could, and the levels of depression were identical, then I think that it would be fair to say that the person who chooses to soldier on is better than the one that gives up.

Perhaps fortunately, this can never be put to the test.

gibboelli

How is it giving up??? The whole point of ESA is to help you get back into mainstream work. I've been trying on my own for 2 years and it's not worked so I've gone for ESA as they can offer alot of help and have a huge database of employers and voluntary work that are sympathtic to people with problems. I am not 'sitting on my @rse all day or giving up' so I can sit at home all day and claim free money. I managed for 2 years with zero income so that doesnt really add up to a benefit bum does it?
Work is not a 'dirty word' to me, the condesending attitude and belief that you can just 'Go out and get a job' and general rudeness is what irritates me. Good for you WML if you can get out there. I cant right now and need some help.
It feels very cruel when I've just started to get some help to take it away from me like that because I didnt score 15 points. My personal advisor is a saint and they have let me see a mental health advisor to give me support on dealing with it in the workplace. I dont see how asking for help is a sign of giving up?

k.p.johnson

I am a single person who work's, would I be entitled to working tax credits. I pay rent and council tax and earn ; £ 23, 000. a year, but have lot's to pay out and am in a lot of debt and am struggling. ?