Kicked off A4e and then wrestled out of job center.

nexuss

WhatFrickingUsernameIsnt wrote: »

The "bouncer" noticed me doing this at one point and then snapped at me that I was not allowed to drink in the job center.

Since he was acting the big man, and was taking his bad day out on me for no reason,.

After a minute or so he asked the "big man" to kick me out... he called on two of his buddies and said I was to leave or be forcefully removed. I refused. They wrestled me down the stairs and out the door. I offered no resistance other than my initial refusal to leave.

From your wording you sound a very confrontational person when there is no need.

glossgal

wishface wrote: »

Where have I assumed that everyone is as reactionary? I await your response with appropriate quotes including examples proving my opinions to be equally so.

I don't have the energy or inclination to cut and paste your tedious quotes but I do believe you've accused all on here who disagree with you as narrowminded, ignorant, judgemental etc etc etc zzzzzzzzz

The only 'experience' demonstrated is that you are prepared to give undue credence to hearsay and judge accordingly. I certainly hope that isn't an attribute that typifies JC staff.

I speak from fact, how and where I gathered this wealth of knowledge is none of your concern-not JCP as you assume, as you cannot disprove that I have knowledge and experience of benefit claimaints you cannot say I'm wrong and retain an ounce of credibility.

What does it matter if a tiny insignificant minority are fiddling the system? Are you going to tar everyone with the same brush (which you have)? Using this as an excuse to make a difficult poorly managed unfair system in society that treats people using it badly even more so is poor thinking at best.

Of course the system treats everyone badly-I don't blame claimants for saying they refuse to accept it and ever recieve a penny from the govt again. Oh hang on.....:rolleyes:

I wasn't brought up in a cave, I just make sure I know what I'm talking about rather than resort to populist opinions about welfare and the society involved. This continued idea that 'because people are claiming then X% of that must be on the fiddle' is just stupid. IF you run the country with that logic, no one would have a job! Would you suggest we stop selling food because of supermarket chains that don't pay enough corporate tax? Do we sack all the GP's because one of them was a serial killer?

See my second reply in bold dearie


not your words? did someone else type them for you then?

I clearly stated it was a quote by the OP but not to fret, maybe your new deal advisor could enroll you on a literacy course to grapple with the basics

it never ceases to amaze me how little it takes for your kind to show their true colours.

Can't reply, too busy laughing.

Must remember not to feed the trolls, but sometimes a girl can't help it :rotfl:

Oldernotwiser

wishface wrote: »

I asked you to explain your words. What i understand is irrelevant: you made the comment so it's your responsibility to explain it if you wish to be taken seriously. !

My comment regarding showing "a bit of self control in public" doesn't seem to me to need explaining but, as you've asked so nicely, I'll have a shot.

We all have times when we're unhappy about the service we receive, whether in shops, restaurants or the JCP. It's usually not a good idea to shout and make a nuisance of yourself, particularly to the extent where security are called to escort you out. One can complain assertively and politely but not "taking no for an answer" won't get you very far, as the person in question found.

wishface

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

My comment regarding showing "a bit of self control in public" doesn't seem to me to need explaining but, as you've asked so nicely, I'll have a shot.

We all have times when we're unhappy about the service we receive, whether in shops, restaurants or the JCP. It's usually not a good idea to shout and make a nuisance of yourself, particularly to the extent where security are called to escort you out. One can complain assertively and politely but not "taking no for an answer" won't get you very far, as the person in question found.

I'm staggered as to how utterly you don't understand the situation.

willa

Well done Wishface. :TWhat's that saying, something about the only thing that evil needs to flourish is for good people to do nothing.... So much ignorance abounding about 'benefit scroungers', 'benefit fraudsters'. It's crap. All these people you read about who 'admit' fraud and have to pay back money - I bet very few of them are actual liars/thieves (unlike mp's ahem..). The system, questionnaires etc are set up to make liars out of people when they are nothing of the sort. Oh and Glossgal you sound like an idiot - calling people names, really very peurile.

Oldernotwiser

wishface wrote: »

I'm staggered as to how utterly you don't understand the situation.

Having read the same information that you have I think I understand rather better than you do.

Perhaps you'd have the courtesy to explain your point of view in this.

wishface

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Having read the same information that you have I think I understand rather better than you do.

Perhaps you'd have the courtesy to explain your point of view in this.

a ive already explained myself in respect of your own, i will therefore be discourteous (as in your mind that is what inevitably what I will be) and choose not to play you at your game.

Or, to put it another way, if I have to explain how it's the right thing to show people in distress compassion and give them help when they need it (such as help filling out a complex form), then you aren't going to understand.

lili2008

vegankris wrote: »

Even though the posters wishface responded to may not have used any swear words per se themselves, they were still IMHO very abusive, bullying and belittling towards others in their posts.

vegankris wrote: »

It's no wonder s/he was furious- righteous indignation I'd call it.

I'd also like to add that expecting jobseekers to work below the rate of minimum wage is abusive, exploitative, and slave labour.

I see nothing wrong with doing voluntary work per se (in fact I'm currently in paid employment and do some voluntary work myself) but that's not to say there aren't some people out there who do exploit their volunteers. I've heard a few horror stories.

From what I've heard by people who have attended them, the League Of Gentlemen comedy show's parody of Jobseekers' courses was pretty accurate! (And also very funny, if you've never seen it, it's worth a watch!) This'll cheer you up!-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y309i3u_J9A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Chm34KJB_w

This at the top, and the rest of it to an extent.

Someone gets unpleasant treatment, comes on here for a moan, and gets hit by the 'voice of the moral high ground'. Why? I really want to ask posters who came on here and did that, why? What do you gain from that approach? What do you hope to achieve?

Oldernotwiser

wishface wrote: »

Or, to put it another way, if I have to explain how it's the right thing to show people in distress compassion and give them help when they need it (such as help filling out a complex form), then you aren't going to understand.

If it's not part of your job to help someone fill in a form then you risk your own job by doing so. That's not showing compassion, that's just stupidity.

Oldernotwiser

lili2008 wrote: »

This at the top, and the rest of it to an extent.

Someone gets unpleasant treatment, comes on here for a moan, and gets hit by the 'voice of the moral high ground'. Why? I really want to ask posters who came on here and did that, why? What do you gain from that approach? What do you hope to achieve?

If people want to post on a foum just to vent then it's probably a good thing to say so and others will just let them get on with it. When you ask for comments, as the OP did, then comments are what you're going to get!

You may see people's posts as being "taking the moral high ground" (and isn't it amazing that this can be said as a criticism!) but many posters see themselves as expressing the voice of reason, which is surely a good thing to do?